Envy or jealousy ?

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Here's one to chew over, being Scottish it's pretty bloody depressing watching the world cup knowing we're not there....as usual and that we're unlikely to be any time soon. However, it's almost as difficult suffering Engurlands progress as it's just hard to listen to but here's a thing, I'm not jealous, I'm envious, personally couldn't bare you lot to win it but I really do wish I could share the feeling of euphoria and atmosphere that comes over a nation through sport.

Guess the closest we've got in recent years was the Golden Saturday at the Olympics in 2012 :rolleyes:

Come on Sweden !
 
No hard feelings from my point of view. Rivalry is rivalry and I don't hold that against anyone... I've never classed myself as British, I'm English through and through and that's why I understand your thought process.

Ps I'm glad that Scottish fella is out of Wimbledon this year. I've never liked him. 👍
 
Completely gutted we're not there. However saying that if we were there we'd have had a complete doing off every one of those teams, including the Saudis.

I'm not envious or Jealous although I have no idea why nations like Uruguay, Denmark, and Croatia can churn out players capable of holding their own and more, yet we can't, despite similar or smaller populations. I guess the desire to succeed in this country just isn't there.

A whole other thread should be devoted to the subject but there's political, social and economic reasons that really need to be addressed at government level before we'll qualify for anything again. In my opinion, of course.
 
I'm enjoying the world cup, not lessened for me, watching Scotland at world cups in 70s 80s 90s was never that enjoyable, more lows than highs tbh. Watched the Colombia game with my English Mrs and her English friend and daughter, was quite enjoyable seeing them stress, I'm entirely neutral, glad the Germans went out but that's it. Have a bit of a soft spot for Croatia as I admire Modric, would quite like to see a new winner.
 
Should have qualified my post by saying for me it's been the best World Cup I can remember. Really exciting.

I'll also not be supporting our neighbours. I'm just a fan of Football these days rather than a stressed out football fan.
 
I’ve never understood the hatred of England by Scottish people tbh. Maybe some of you guys can explain it to me?

Why hate England so much?

Why must it it always be “anyone but England”?
 
Don Barzini said:
I’ve never understood the hatred of England by Scottish people tbh. Maybe some of you guys can explain it to me?

Why hate England so much?

Why must it it always be “anyone but England”?
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To counter that there's been 'I hate the germans' and 'I hate the argies' on the world cup thread. Nobody's asked them why.
 
HowlingGale said:
To counter that there's been 'I hate the germans' and 'I hate the argies' on the world cup thread. Nobody's asked them why.
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Ask them if you want, I’m not stopping you or suggesting that you shouldn’t.

This is a thread about Scottish dislike of England. I’m genuinely interested in the reasons why, hence why I asked the question.
 
Don Barzini said:
Ask them if you want, I’m not stopping you or suggesting that you shouldn’t.

This is a thread about Scottish dislike of England. I’m genuinely interested in the reasons why, hence why I asked the question.
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Dont mix up a historic football rivalty that these days is not even that, with dislike of a people or a country or politics. There is very little imo but there is strong anti Tory feeling which can get mixed up as anti English since MaggieT. From comments all over this forum I think dislike is stronger in the other direction tbh largely because of the indyref and SNP and political issues that gets spun down south in certain media.
 
Don Barzini said:
I’ve never understood the hatred of England by Scottish people tbh. Maybe some of you guys can explain it to me?

Why hate England so much?

Why must it it always be “anyone but England”?
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One of my customers explained it quite well. He said from an early age you're brought up to hate England, but in a joking kind of way. Take the pash but shake hands afterwards. Saying that I've been on the wrong end some nasty anti English rants over the years, mainly from drunken bigots.
 
Don Barzini said:
This is a thread about Scottish dislike of England. .
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No it's not.

But I'll try and explain, lets say you were a Man City fan in the late 80s and all thru the 90s. You had to listen to how good Man U were, always winning things, everyone talking about them, headlines of the news, headlines of every paper, radio station, no matter what channel you turned on, it was about man U, and you were a City fan, that I think explains how it is for us.


I'm envious, not hatred, I wish it was me singing "it's coming home" I wish it was me heading to the pub on Saturday on a natural high, I wish it was my nation flying.
 
Cabby said:
I'm envious, not hatred, I wish it was me singing "it's coming home" I wish it was me heading to the pub on Saturday on a natural high, I wish it was my nation flying.
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I think that's a very honest post and probably covers it for a lot of people.

It's a shame that often, not accusing you on this, it does not come across as envy or banter but a little more than that.
 
Cabby said:
I'm envious, not hatred, I wish it was me singing "it's coming home" I wish it was me heading to the pub on Saturday on a natural high, I wish it was my nation flying.
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Did I mention I'm going to the pub on Saturday afternoon to get lashed while watching the match?
Hopefully afterwards there'll be a chorus of "It's Coming Home" as well :D probably followed by "I'm Going To Bed" :whoo:
 
Beezerk said:
Did I mention I'm going to the pub on Saturday afternoon to get lashed while watching the match?
Hopefully afterwards there'll be a chorus of "It's Coming Home" as well :D probably followed by "I'm Going To Bed" :whoo:
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I genuinely think there is only one team left that you guys can't beat, and if they get put out, it could well be coming home.
 
Cabby said:
No it's not.

But I'll try and explain, lets say you were a Man City fan in the late 80s and all thru the 90s. You had to listen to how good Man U were, always winning things, everyone talking about them, headlines of the news, headlines of every paper, radio station, no matter what channel you turned on, it was about man U, and you were a City fan, that I think explains how it is for us.


I'm envious, not hatred, I wish it was me singing "it's coming home" I wish it was me heading to the pub on Saturday on a natural high, I wish it was my nation flying.
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Add to that the utterly biased commentary from the EBC, sorry the BBC, then you've got it right. i.e.Ignoring blatant cheating and unwarranted self-aggrandisment.

BTW I don't hate the English or the England team. I just want them to get pumped at everything they play because of the blinkered media output.

Imagine you turn on to watch a game of football, Iran Vs Peru (or whoever) in the group stages of the world cup. The English team are nowhere near it. You can actually play a game of 'phrase' bingo using the following phrases: '1966', Geoff Hurst' , 'It's coming home', 'Three Lions', 'Harry Kane' it's non-exhaustive. You get the gist.

Remember we get the same commentary you do and it gets right on our tits. Just say what you see without bringing anything England has done, is doing or may do into it.
 
It’s part of your psyche, no different to the football teams down here at Club level.

Very few will have a genuine reason for it, most simply go along just because they believe they should and then they tar everyone with the same brush.

I prefer the honest straightforward bigot to the ones that try and make jokes and excuses when talking to you.
At least you know were you stand with the bigot.
 
HowlingGale said:
Add to that the utterly biased commentary from the EBC, sorry the BBC, then you've got it right. i.e.Ignoring blatant cheating and unwarranted self-aggrandisment.

BTW I don't hate the English or the England team. I just want them to get pumped at everything they play because of the blinkered media output.

Imagine you turn on to watch a game of football, Iran Vs Peru (or whoever) in the group stages of the world cup. The English team are nowhere near it. You can actually play a game of 'phrase' bingo using the following phrases: '1966', Geoff Hurst' , 'It's coming home', 'Three Lions', 'Harry Kane' it's non-exhaustive. You get the gist.

Remember we get the same commentary you do and it gets right on our tits. Just say what you see without bringing anything England has done, is doing or may do into it.
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In other words. You're jealous. Listen to the commentary on the radio if the bbc bothers you that much. England are just better than the scots at football so they'll always get more coverage.
 
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