England Summer Test Series

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Junior said:
No surprise about Leach as he's returning from injury and only bowled 30 odd overs since May. The conundrum is Bess, who really did nothing wrong in the last series , but, he's not exactly set the world on fire in Country Cricket. However, Rashid hasn't even played county cricket.

Pleased for Porter. I hope he gets the nod above Curran as I think he's a better bowler and Broad is struggling with injury still.

Ali is the safe bet to start........ He was man of the series against a strong SA side last Summer, he just had a poor tour of OZ and NZ.
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Delighted Jamie Porter has been picked but he has to play or there's no point. He's proved all he can in County Cricket , been in the A Team etc. There's no point letting him ride the pine, get him in there and see if he can translate the brilliant last two years onto the main stage against some of the highest calibre batters.

With regards to Adil Rashid, I haven't got a problem with it at all. He was available for selection and he was selected. Not sure why he personally is getting so much grief. Give the selectors an earful if you want ?!! He said he's not playing red ball cricket for Yorkshire not retiring from red ball cricket full stop.
 
The funny thing for me with Rashid is that he should never have been dropped in the first place. Like a lot of cricketers, he has been built up and then messed around. I'm glad he's back but he'll be expected to turn the ball sideways and skill them out. If he doesn't, he'll be back to white ball asap. I do hope he wasn't selected because of that one ball to Kohli....
 
Karl102 said:
The Indians will muller Rashid! No consistency or accuracy. They have papped their pants athe he Indian wrist spinners and thought we have to have one. Watch them attack Rashid.

Do you think Hildreth is harshly done by because he bats on the riad at Taunton?!? I think personally he deserves a chance. I do not think Malan has what it takes. Glad they have picked Jennings as he is in form.
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I have believed for years that the selectors will look at players harshly when they are at certain counties and especially ones that don’t play at test grounds

Sometimes they also persist with certain players yet dump others quick as a flash and some just never even get a chance

We have had a lot of players at Somerset that should have been given a chance for England at both red and white ball cricket

Peter Trego is a player who has been superb at white ball cricket - not a sniff

Hildreth should have been included years ago at both red and white ball - he has been performing consistently for over a decade

Craig Overton - played well during a poor tour for England , seems to have been discarded , I don’t expect England to go back to Leach who they ignored and nearly ruined for ages , same with Bess

I have no doubt that if any of those players were at Surrey or Yorkshire then they would be in the squad

Rashid shouldn’t be near it - last week he was asked by his county to play a 4 day red ball game for them - he said no. They have reacted to a decent white ball spell and one ball . I expect the Indians are going to eat him alive. Not sure about Porter and if he can produce the same against a higher calibre of players - certainly deserves his chance , Malan just isn’t good enough
 
Karl102 said:
Interestingly Lyth being interviewed on Sky just said Jamie Overton is the quickest on the county circuit this year....
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Yeah Jamie was always going to be the quicker of the two and certainly got the ability to be a consistent 90mph plus bowler but does give away a few too many runs - if he can learn to control a bit more than he will be a very dangerous bowler
 
If Rashid is doing what the other spinners aren't. then its hardly his fault he has been picked. Personally I'm glad to see him given another chance to prove himself with the test ball.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
If Rashid is doing what the other spinners aren't. then its hardly his fault he has been picked. Personally I'm glad to see him given another chance to prove himself with the test ball.
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The other spinners are playing red ball cricket for their county and also not turning down their own county when asked - if that’s what’s needed then I guess people might as well not play county cricket

No one can judge what Rashid is doing with a red ball when he doesn’t play red ball cricket
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The other spinners are playing red ball cricket for their county and also not turning down their own county when asked - if that’s what’s needed then I guess people might as well not play county cricket
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Yes Rashid asked to not play red ball county cricket, but the national selectors have picked him....not him or his family. Are you seriously saying he should say no to his country so as not to upset his county?
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Yes Rashid asked to not play red ball county cricket, but the national selectors have picked him....not him or his family. Are you seriously saying he should say no to his country so as not to upset his county?
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He shouldn’t have been selected and yes when he was asked he should have been the same answer when asked by his own county - im concentrating on white ball cricket.

But it’s just the latest in a line of baffling selections from Ed Smith.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
Look at the ground conditions. What top spinners do we really have right now? (that are taking wickets and aren't injured)
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You go with either Leach or Bess with Bess prob being the person that deserves to keep his place but Leach is the better spinner

Rashid isn’t a top spinner with the red ball , couldn’t tie down an end , bowled too many boundary balls and just wasn’t dangerous enough. He will get wickets in white ball when he can take advantage of batters taking a bit more risks - in red ball a batsmen can just wait for the poor ball
 
Liverpoolphil said:
You go with either Leach or Bess with Bess prob being the person that deserves to keep his place but Leach is the better spinner

Rashid isn’t a top spinner with the red ball , couldn’t tie down an end , bowled too many boundary balls and just wasn’t dangerous enough. He will get wickets in white ball when he can take advantage of batters taking a bit more risks - in red ball a batsmen can just wait for the poor ball
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But sadly neither Leach nor Bess have been consistently taking wickets this season.

This sorry episode highlights the continuing dearth of quality spin bowlers in the English game.

The same can be said for genuine pace. Porter merits being given a chance but he is just another 80+ man.
 
MetalMickie said:
But sadly neither Leach nor Bess have been consistently taking wickets this season.

This sorry episode highlights the continuing dearth of quality spin bowlers in the English game.

The same can be said for genuine pace. Porter merits being given a chance but he is just another 80+ man.
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It’s hard to when they stop the county championship for so long whilst they play T20 and ODI - think they must have had one game since the last test that Bess played

As for pace - J Overton is one that who can genuinely get over 90mph regularly
 
Liverpoolphil said:
It’s hard to when they stop the county championship for so long whilst they play T20 and ODI - think they must have had one game since the last test that Bess played

As for pace - J Overton is one that who can genuinely get over 90mph regularly
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Leach should certainly be given an extended run by England

Bess I am not yet convinced by.In his Test outings he looked gutsy but was more impressive with the bat than the ball.

Bit of hyperbole on your part regarding Overton. Certainly he bowls regularly in the high 80's and occasionally higher but not consistent 90+

In any event he is one of a group of young quicks being kept under scrutiny for the future and whichever of those they choose to go with I hope that they are given a decent chance to prove themselves
 
What does everyone think the result will be. I can see England putting in some big performances and if there are swing friendly conditions really getting into the Indian batting. I think this has the making of a really exciting test series and will be a good measure against the number one nation to see where England are
 
So Rashid plays tomorrow which I feel is good news but somehow Sam Curran has the nod over Jamie Porter ffs. It'll be interesting to compare this team to that for the last match of the series. I can't see Broad and Anderson making it through 5 matches in quick succession, Stokes could be in prison and Malan , Rashid and Curran could be dropped.
Team for tomorrow is:
Joe Root (capt), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Stuart Broad, Jos Buttler, Alastair Cook, Sam Curran, Keaton Jennings, Dawid Malan, Adil Rashid, Ben Stokes
 
Jennings gets away with one early. Awful shot against a bowler who almost entirely bowls across the left hander. India's slip catching continues to disappoint.
 
India collapsing even worse than England. Kohli's still in but doesn't seem to know which way the ball is moving.

If Jennings continues to play towards mid-on he's not going to last the series, Ishant could pick him up easily every time.
 
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