Dreams...how real, or relevant...?

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I had a dream! Sorry, couldn't resist that.

Anyway, I had a weird dream last week that involved a lengthy discussion in Welsh. That in itself is odd, but what really made me think is I understood the conversation.

I learned Welsh, sort of, in school in the early '70's, and only ever spoke it in class. I couldn't speak a sentence now, although I could make a good fist of the Welsh National anthem, and a number of other songs.

The question is did my brain really store the language, and can I subconsciously recall it, or was it just I thought I could in a dream?
 
You need to move back to Redcar😃
In all seriousness did you watch the Wales rugby match last week? If so it could've been the singing that subconsciously stayed with you and that led to the dream, brain is an amazing organ and in theory all our thoughts words and memories are in there somewhere.
 
It is almost certainly in there. The problem lies in your ability to recall the information as it is so vast. Every second of the day our brains store information. Most of that gets moved to long term memory, some gets dropped. Our ability to recall Long Term memories is what we're not always very good at. It is however why we get people who suddenly claim to remember previous lives as they can recall random facts or people and places that there is no way they would know. All that is though is the brain recalling information we have stored be it from a book or a story or a tv program etc.
 
woody69 said:
It is almost certainly in there. The problem lies in your ability to recall the information as it is so vast. Every second of the day our brains store information. Most of that gets moved to long term memory, some gets dropped. Our ability to recall Long Term memories is what we're not always very good at. It is however why we get people who suddenly claim to remember previous lives as they can recall random facts or people and places that there is no way they would know. All that is though is the brain recalling information we have stored be it from a book or a story or a tv program etc.
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Rather like 'false memories' I guess. Though I think one aspect of 'false memories' is the individual saying something happened to them or that they saw - when it didn't or they didn't. But by saying it enough times over a long period that thought mutates into a apparent 'real' memory - or more likely it just gets lumped in with 'real' long term memories with nothing much at all to differentiate between 'real' and 'false' long term memories.
 
I remember once having a dream where I was watching REM perform a new song that I thought was superb. Then when I woke up I realised that I must have written that song. And I sometimes dream I am concerts and bands play new songs that I like. But then are the song actually brilliant and I am in fact a decent songwriter but I don't know it, or did I just think the songs were great in my dream?

Also I am sure I read or more than likely heard on the infinite monkey cage that in real time dream only last a matter of seconds. So there is a lot of time perception going a bit wonky in everyones dreams.
 
Hobbit said:
I had a dream! Sorry, couldn't resist that.

Anyway, I had a weird dream last week that involved a lengthy discussion in Welsh. That in itself is odd, but what really made me think is I understood the conversation.

I learned Welsh, sort of, in school in the early '70's, and only ever spoke it in class. I couldn't speak a sentence now, although I could make a good fist of the Welsh National anthem, and a number of other songs.

The question is did my brain really store the language, and can I subconsciously recall it, or was it just I thought I could in a dream?
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Dreams, memories and even basic perceptions use as a reference previously stored data. Previously stored means stuff that has driven associations between neurones in your noggin. You will therefore tend to reference stuff you have embedded somewhere. Even delusions and hallucinations tend to use these familiar reference points.

If you are interested in this sort of stuff, interesting TV series running on the BBC at present - The Brain with David Eagleman.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Yellow van is on its way Brian :)
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You called out the AA ??? :confused:


Was your Welsh dream REALLY Welsh? or you just thought it was but were really making up your own version of a language that you THOUGHT you understood?...... I have spoken/understood Spanish, Japanese and various 'freaky' languages in dreams but in reality they were just 'blurb'.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Rather like 'false memories' I guess. Though I think one aspect of 'false memories' is the individual saying something happened to them or that they saw - when it didn't or they didn't. But by saying it enough times over a long period that thought mutates into a apparent 'real' memory - or more likely it just gets lumped in with 'real' long term memories with nothing much at all to differentiate between 'real' and 'false' long term memories.
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I wonder where De Je vu fits into this sort of thing Hugh?

Ethan, one for you? Is de je vu a form of petit mal?

Ethan said:
Dreams, memories and even basic perceptions use as a reference previously stored data. Previously stored means stuff that has driven associations between neurones in your noggin. You will therefore tend to reference stuff you have embedded somewhere. Even delusions and hallucinations tend to use these familiar reference points.

If you are interested in this sort of stuff, interesting TV series running on the BBC at present - The Brain with David Eagleman.
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I have golfed with McIlroy a few times.... one time we then took 2 Ferrari's out for a spin afterwrds....... :mad: :mad: :mad:


Oh yeh... I beat him one time :rofl:
 
Hobbit said:
I wonder where De Je vu fits into this sort of thing Hugh?

Ethan, one for you? Is de je vu a form of petit mal?
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Deja vu is usually a perfectly normal thing. It can be also associated with pathological states such as epilepsy or some psychiatric conditions, but is probably just a minor crossing over of a current perception with a stored memory.

False memories are a different story, and those accounts of childhood abuse that were produced from psychoanalysis almost always never happened, but were put in the mind of a suggestible subject, perhaps under hypnosis, by the interviewer.
 
My least favourite dream is the one where I am on a tee and no matter where I postion the ball I cannot take a proper swing at the ball. I am either unable to address the ball as there is nowhere for me to stand; I'm falling off the tee when I address the ball - or weirdly a wall eitehr exisits or appears behind me; or a ceiling above - which mean that I cannot take a backswing of any sort. Drives me nuts!
 
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