TheClaw
Q-School Graduate
I know a great way to save you 50% on your fees.
Play twice as much.
Play twice as much.
Do clubs value visitors too much.
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la_lucha
Tour Rookie
That would be ideal wouldn't it. Just a shame I have to work 5 days a week to pay for luxuries like golf.
NWJocko
Tour Winner
As others have said it seems an unusual club/course in terms of green fee as a visitor v subs.
I'm a grand a year membership but visitor fee is something like £75-£85 I think.
They are actively managing down the number if visitors and societies as membership is full though.
I'm a grand a year membership but visitor fee is something like £75-£85 I think.
They are actively managing down the number if visitors and societies as membership is full though.
full_throttle
Tour Winner
some courses are more membership friendly, Beau Desert for example have dedicated tee times for members only, visitors/guests are welcome but only at certain times. The club in question have a different business agenda, they look to fill all available tee slots be it members or pay and play, thus the cheaper visitor rate
doublebogey7
Head Pro
But don't you also get free use of the health club (including gym & swimming pool).
sweatysock41
Q-School Graduate
The big difference there is Beau Desert is a private members club that is in demand for membership and is not a business looking to make a profit. The club the OP is looking at is proprietary and will always try and fill it's available slots which makes perfect business sense - hence the visitors rates.
full_throttle
Tour Winner
agreed,
I was posting an example why some visitors are cheap in relation to membership, maybe it came across wrong
I was posting an example why some visitors are cheap in relation to membership, maybe it came across wrong
hovis
Tour Winner
Beau has made a loss 3 years running. Believe me they are trying to make a profit
Maninblack4612
Tour Winner
I just did the sums for my club and, depending on whether you play weekends / weekdays, with or without a member, you'd need to play between about 26 & 35 times a year to "break even" so it does look like the green fees at your proposed club are low compared with membership fees. However, it's entirely up to the club as to what they charge and the low green fee is probably a reflection of how desperate the club is to bring in additional revenue and the local competition to attract itinerant golfers.
We have an ex member who can't play a lot. He comes up, sometimes weekly, and takes advantage of the lower "with member rate" I personally think this is wrong and that someone who plays regularly should either have to join or at least pay the full green fee. and he's a mate of mine, but I still think it's wrong.
We have an ex member who can't play a lot. He comes up, sometimes weekly, and takes advantage of the lower "with member rate" I personally think this is wrong and that someone who plays regularly should either have to join or at least pay the full green fee. and he's a mate of mine, but I still think it's wrong.
Maninblack4612
Tour Winner
Good subject fore a poll. Think I'll start one.
sweatysock41
Q-School Graduate
If that course can't make a profit there must be something drastically wrong. One of my favourites, if only I lived nearer.
D
Deleted member 18588
Guest
Not really, a members' club will be looking to break even with perhaps a small profit for reserves.
After all if they need to make a significant profit that will generally be at the expense of the members.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Exactly. The question should surely be do the members value the club enough, and clearly they don't if the club is offering green fees at that rate to fill the slots. If there were enough members they wouldn't need to. And if the members don't value it enough, the next question is why?
I'm fortunate to be a member of a club that is valued by its members and therefore has sufficient to make it run without over-reliance, hence the weekend visitors green fee of £65, or £45 weekdays. It's nice to pick up a bit more cash from visitors and societies, but we don't want to overrun it with visitors to the detriment of the members so it is set high, unless you play as a member's guest.
£65 x 50 rounds, + £45 x 30 rounds = £4,6000, considerably more than the £1,600 I pay for annual membership.
hovis
Tour Winner
They cant afford sand for bunkers. They need money
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Surely a club will set a membership rates based on the expected number of members and green fee/societies (and therefore a fixed income) minus expenditure. If there's a big project (drainage for example they may tag an increase per head onto membership costs. Never popular but sometimes a necessary evil. However what they don't do is sit down and figure that Joe Bloggs only played 17 games, mostly midweek while his mate played 113 including weekend and midweek and try and base a fee on that usage.
When you join you pay because you want the value added of being a member such as tee time priority (if you have that) comps, practice facilities, clubhouse facilities, social events etc. You are buying the package as a whole. If you aren't happy with that and think you're getting a raw deal then perhaps membership at that club, indeed at all may not be for you
When you join you pay because you want the value added of being a member such as tee time priority (if you have that) comps, practice facilities, clubhouse facilities, social events etc. You are buying the package as a whole. If you aren't happy with that and think you're getting a raw deal then perhaps membership at that club, indeed at all may not be for you
D
Deleted member 18588
Guest
Well that will be at the expense of the existing members since there are no vacancies for Full Members. That is the objective of breaking even.
Are you sure that the Club cannot afford the sand or is this a bar rumour. Clubs are great breeding grounds for such things.
hovis
Tour Winner
There are never vacancies for full membership. You have to be a 5 day member at first and apply for a 7 day after 2 years
GB72
Money List Winner
Unless you have played at county level then you can jump any waiting list and have 7 day membership. I looked to join when I was possibly moving out that way. Was told I had to pay as a 5 day member for 2 years even though I worked all week. I may have got a game some weekends if invited by a 7 day member.
hovis
Tour Winner
My best friend pretty much joined and didn't play for two years!!!! Thats some dosh
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
Even if they did work it out on the average number of rounds (which they don't) you will always end up with some people getting better "value" than others.
The bottom line is you decide if you want to join a club and you decide if you can and want to pay the fees. Anything else is irrelevent.
