Different day different result.

[pokerjoke]

Lately I have been practicing a fair bit trying to improve in all areas hoping this helps me to Cat1 this year.

On Monday I was using my 58 degree and hitting 55 yards when all of a sudden out of nowhere along came some shanks,out of about 50 balls I had about 6 and I'm sure it was down to over thinking.

When I walked onto the range and started hitting balls no problems at all,only when I started to think how far I was taking the club back they appeared.

The next day I went down again and had a few more but I was able to hit 3 or 4 good ones in between each shank.

This morning after watching a Butch Harmon 1 and a half minute video I practiced again and I never had one and it never cost me a penny.

Ive always been one that likes to work out problems myself and the only reason I got the shanks was to overthinking what I was doing.

Is this the reason a lot of golfers struggle after lessons because of all the thoughts going on in their heads that was given by the pro or coach?
If this is the case maybe lessons are not the answer.

I'm certainly not saying don't have lessons some people need a second pair of eyes but I do get a lot of satisfaction solving any issues.

 

[GreggerKBR]

Lately I have been practicing a fair bit trying to improve in all areas hoping this helps me to Cat1 this year.

On Monday I was using my 58 degree and hitting 55 yards when all of a sudden out of nowhere along came some shanks,out of about 50 balls I had about 6 and I'm sure it was down to over thinking.

When I walked onto the range and started hitting balls no problems at all,only when I started to think how far I was taking the club back they appeared.

The next day I went down again and had a few more but I was able to hit 3 or 4 good ones in between each shank.

This morning after watching a Butch Harmon 1 and a half minute video I practiced again and I never had one and it never cost me a penny.

Ive always been one that likes to work out problems myself and the only reason I got the shanks was to overthinking what I was doing.

Is this the reason a lot of golfers struggle after lessons because of all the thoughts going on in their heads that was given by the pro or coach?
If this is the case maybe lessons are not the answer.

I'm certainly not saying don't have lessons some people need a second pair of eyes but I do get a lot of satisfaction solving any issues.

Not everyone struggles after they've had a lesson. So I reckon it's a bit "yes", and a bit "no".
Yes - lack of clarity can lead to poor swings, but if you've played this game for a while you'll know you can still hit great shots with a jumbled mind and crap shots with a clear positive mindset.
No - lessons don't make you struggle. Trying to change a pattern and then subsequently expecting a fantastic results might upset mental harmony between ego and purpose.

It's a fact that the most gifted and hard working golfers on this planet hit socket rockets and other crap shots when trying to change things and sometimes they just hit them regardless of how good they are technically or mentally. And regardless of the player or the coach.
Usually golfers take lessons to change, to get better, to improve. The process of change takes time and errors are part of the learning curve.
Usually the key is not attaching meaning to outcome and to be absorbed in the commitment to and the process of making the change.

A good player will keep working until they have a clear knowledgeable understanding of their patterns and what pattern they actually want.
And know that they can probably still make good/poor shots in either pattern.

 

[drewster]

Lately I have been practicing a fair bit trying to improve in all areas hoping this helps me to Cat1 this year.

On Monday I was using my 58 degree and hitting 55 yards when all of a sudden out of nowhere along came some shanks,out of about 50 balls I had about 6 and I'm sure it was down to over thinking.

When I walked onto the range and started hitting balls no problems at all,only when I started to think how far I was taking the club back they appeared.

The next day I went down again and had a few more but I was able to hit 3 or 4 good ones in between each shank.

This morning after watching a Butch Harmon 1 and a half minute video I practiced again and I never had one and it never cost me a penny.

Ive always been one that likes to work out problems myself and the only reason I got the shanks was to overthinking what I was doing.

Is this the reason a lot of golfers struggle after lessons because of all the thoughts going on in their heads that was given by the pro or coach?
If this is the case maybe lessons are not the answer.

I'm certainly not saying don't have lessons some people need a second pair of eyes but I do get a lot of satisfaction solving any issues.

You're on a totally different level to me but I've always been a purveyor of the "self correction method" . I've had two lessons in my life and they just screwed with my head. Never again !!

 

[Capella]

I always struggle after a lesson. Always. It takes me something ranging from a good night's sleep to a couple of weeks to get things to work naturally again, depending on how difficult the change I am trying to make is and on how much I get to practice. Ball striking just goes out of the window, as soon as I think anything technical during my swing. So I have to practice any change until I don't have to think about it anymore. (And the tricky part is: I can also not not think about it during that time, even if I try).

 

[ScienceBoy]

People do struggle after lessons, it's a fact.

It's down to two things:
1. They don't practice what they learnt enough. It needs to be every night in the mirror and 2-3 range sessions before it kicks in.

2. They fall back to what works when they go on the course. People play way too soon after a lesson and just revert back to what gets them round the course rather than embedding good things.

I'm currently not playing golf but I'm taking lessons and going to the range. I bet as i am not playing I am going to find it far easier to implement changes than if I played rounds between lessons.

 

[GreggerKBR]

People do struggle after lessons, it's a fact.

It's down to two things:
1. They don't practice what they learnt enough. It needs to be every night in the mirror and 2-3 range sessions before it kicks in.

2. They fall back to what works when they go on the course. People play way too soon after a lesson and just revert back to what gets them round the course rather than embedding good things.

I'm currently not playing golf but I'm taking lessons and going to the range. I bet as i am not playing I am going to find it far easier to implement changes than if I played rounds between lessons.

I do agree with you it takes ages to embed a new pattern.
But perhaps we need to define "struggle" in the context of this discussion.
Neuro memory pathways controlling physical movements are very strong and it takes a lot to change them.

Scenario - I had a lesson on Thursday and equalled my best ever score on Saturday, gross 76.
I hit 13/14 fairways and made reached greenside on all the par 5's in 2 and had 5-birdies and won with 40 points with two blobs!
Completely new shoulder move, completely alien feeling to me makes me feel like I'm swaying.

Personally, I don't call that "struggling" after a lesson?

I can tell you this - I'm not cured forever, my old pattern will be back at some point.
I have a lot of work to do to be able to trust it.

Some people will struggle with some pattern changes. It's not a "rule" to govern all.

I seem to recall in the book "Bounce" the Myth of Talent, Syed said he collapsed and lost his patterns at the Olympics after years of training at Elite level. So even at the highest level, some people can make changes and not struggle, and some people do struggle.
Plenty of golfers hitting top level then trying to make changes to get better - with some succeeding and some not.