Difference between TIGER and RORY

JCW said:
No , better and faster airplanes , private jets , more flights from more airlines , faster cars , freeway and the rest ,everything is more modern these days , even better training methods to keep golfers fitter , then there is the equipment but I leave that for now , no its not a joke at all , its a fact that the modern golfer has more going for him ...........................EYG
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How does this translate to it being easier to win a golf tournament?
Surely the transport links makes it more difficult as it ensures that the best golfers will always be in the field. Whereas the lack of transport in yesteryear meant that some golfers couldnt' commit to all tournaments. For example; Gary Player

Better training methods and better equipment reduces the gap between the best pro golfer and the middle pack - which again makes it more difficult for anyone to win a tournament.

I can only see these reasons as support to the argument that Tiger Woods is the best golfer in the world, not the other way round.
 
londonlewis said:
A particular example would be YE Yang. Yang's bag contains driver, wood and multiple hybrids. When he won the PGA championship his lowest iron was a 7 iron.
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Actually, I'm almost certain that when he won that he had 6 and 5 iron in the bag. Certainly his WITB of Jan 2010 shows 5 & 6.
5 has subsequently beed dropped. Certainly a bag full of headcovers!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Huh - you compare Mr Woods with the incomparable Mr Hogan - how very dare you.

Seriously though - most of the 'awe' around Hogan actually came from his recovery to win a 7 majors after nearly dying in a car crash. That plus his total mastery of the golf swing - a swing indeed that we can (but) try and emulate. A swing based upon supreme technique and timing. Mr Woods has had his own car crash - but not a lot of sympathy from me on that front. And let's see if he wins 7 more majors. And could any of us even try to emulate his swing - and admire his technique? hmmm - not so sure.
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Tiger nearly died too , well he would have done if his wife caught him with his 7 iron , Rory , tiger , Hogan , jack , all great golfers , you can only beat what was around at your time and all bar Rory has done that.......................EYG
 
Foxholer said:
Actually, I'm almost certain that when he won that he had 6 and 5 iron in the bag. Certainly his WITB of Jan 2010 shows 5 & 6.
5 has subsequently beed dropped. Certainly a bag full of headcovers!
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You are right he had a 6 iron in his bag
 
JCW said:
Tiger nearly died too , well he would have done if his wife caught him with his 7 iron , Rory , tiger , Hogan , jack , all great golfers , you can only beat what was around at your time and all bar Rory has done that.......................EYG
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absolutely - so though it causes debate and fun - comparing golfers of different generations is a somewhat futile exercise leading nowhere. I think it is however more reasonable to ask the question 'who has brought the most to the game?'

So for example - on the fitness front - probably Gary Player - he was way out there and ahead of his time on that.

So in 20 yrs time we will be able to contemplate the question 'Difference between TIGER and RORY - who has brought most to the game?' But not yet as Rory has only just started.
 
londonlewis said:
How does this translate to it being easier to win a golf tournament?
Surely the transport links makes it more difficult as it ensures that the best golfers will always be in the field. Whereas the lack of transport in yesteryear meant that some golfers couldnt' commit to all tournaments. For example; Gary Player

Better training methods and better equipment reduces the gap between the best pro golfer and the middle pack - which again makes it more difficult for anyone to win a tournament.

I can only see these reasons as support to the argument that Tiger Woods is the best golfer in the world, not the other way round.
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Jack won more majors then tiger , that's the golfing bible , as for winning tournements , more to play for , better transport makes it easier to get to more hence better chance to win , Rory and every golfer that tees it up wants to win majors , the other tournements are just everyday stuff , miss one there be another next week , majors , don't win the masters this year then its next year if you get into the field ......................EYG
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
absolutely - so though it causes debate and fun - comparing golfers of different generations is a somewhat futile exercise leading nowhere. I think it is however more reasonable to ask the question 'who has brought the most to the game?'

So for example - on the fitness front - probably Gary Player - he was way out there and ahead of his time on that.

So in 20 yrs time we will be able to contemplate the question 'Difference between TIGER and RORY - who has brought most to the game?' But not yet as Rory has only just started.
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You could argue that Tiger Woods made a bigger impact on the fitness front.
there is no doubting that Gary Player was ahead of his time but the impact he made did not make a change to the rest of the field.
However, people used to talk about the 'Tiger effect'. Other players changed their diets, training techniques and fitness regimes because Tiger was much fitter than everyone else.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Quite - Mr Woods' shot making is/was supreme - but a bit 'otherworldly' and not a technique that us mere mortals could ever attempt to emulate. So what can we learn from Mr Woods - what indeed has he brought to the game?
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Bad Manners , treats the fans poorly , spitting , that's the bad side , I wont go into the side that upset his wife , good side , many great shots , chip shots and putts that had to go in , just great viewing , he was the strongest mental golfer of his time and once in the lead rarely lost .....................that's the bench mark for Rory , I just hope he does it with a smile like Mickleson
 
JCW said:
Jack won more majors then tiger , that's the golfing bible , as for winning tournements , more to play for , better transport makes it easier to get to more hence better chance to win , Rory and every golfer that tees it up wants to win majors , the other tournements are just everyday stuff , miss one there be another next week , majors , don't win the masters this year then its next year if you get into the field ......................EYG
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I don't see the correlation between 'easier to get to hence better chance to win'. Easier to get to means better chance of participating but just because you are there doesn't mean it is easier to win.

'Rory and every golfer that tees it up wants to win Majors' - exactly, all they want to do is win majors. They create their training schedule and tournament schedule around the Majors and focus all their efforts on peaking around 4 tourmanents. This makes it significantly more difficult to win a Major because everyone in the field is specifically trying to win these tournaments.

This didn't happen in Jack Nicklaus' era. Obviously all players will have wanted to win a Major but they wouldn't have been able to tailor their tournament schedule around those 4 events only. They also used to earn less money and therefore couldn't cherry pick when to play, when not to play and where to play. This will have meant that the better golfers in the field will have kept their competitive edge.

This is not as true in today's golf.

I just can't seem to agree with anything you say at the moment as it seems that everything you say is actually a reason why it is more difficult in today's world to win a tournament or a Major.

And finally - what does EYG mean?
 
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londonlewis said:
You could argue that Tiger Woods made a bigger impact on the fitness front.
there is no doubting that Gary Player was ahead of his time but the impact he made did not make a change to the rest of the field.
However, people used to talk about the 'Tiger effect'. Other players changed their diets, training techniques and fitness regimes because Tiger was much fitter than everyone else.
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I see that wherever we post you will come back with Tiger is better , stats and all that , fair enough , that's your right to tink that and I leave you with that ..................................:D
 
JCW said:
Bad Manners , treats the fans poorly , spitting , that's the bad side , I wont go into the side that upset his wife , good side , many great shots , chip shots and putts that had to go in , just great viewing , he was the strongest mental golfer of his time and once in the lead rarely lost .....................that's the bench mark for Rory , I just hope he does it with a smile like Mickleson
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Bad manners - can you give examples?

Treats the fans poorly - can you give examples? and how should he treat fans?

Spitting - I am very confident that almost every golfer spits. We just don't have a camera on us every minute of our rounds.
 
JCW said:
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I see that wherever we post you will come back with Tiger is better , stats and all that , fair enough , that's your right to tink that and I leave you with that ..................................:D
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Hmmm.... I was agreeing with you that Gary Player was a pioneer in terms of fitness in golf. However, I just didn't agree that the impact he made spread to other professionals in the game, because it didn't.
No one has ever said 'I started eating more salad and doing press ups because I needed to keep up with Gary Player'...

However, Tiger changed the face of golf in terms of fitness. There are only a small number of people who are still in the mould of the old golfer and those people won't change - Young Mr Stadler and Carl Petterson (Carl got fit because of Tiger but it messed up his swing so he put the weight back on).
 
Haven't trawled through the whole thread but it's simple really.

One acts like a petulant child who spits all over the course and scowls like he's having dental surgery, the other is Rory McIlroy. Simples.
 
londonlewis said:
I don't see the correlation between 'easier to get to hence better chance to win'. Easier to get to means better chance of participating but just because you are there doesn't mean it is easier to win.

'Rory and every golfer that tees it up wants to win Majors' - exactly, all they want to do is win majors. They create their training schedule and tournament schedule around the Majors and focus all their efforts on peaking around 4 tourmanents. This makes it significantly more difficult to win a Major because everyone in the field is specifically trying to win these tournaments.

This didn't happen in Jack Nicklaus' era. Obviously all players will have wanted to win a Major but they wouldn't have been able to tailor their tournament schedule around those 4 events only. They also used to earn less money and therefore couldn't cherry pick when to play, when not to play and where to play. This will have meant that the better golfers in the field will have kept their competitive edge.

This is not as true in today's golf.

I just can't seem to agree with anything you say at the moment as it seems that everything you say is actually a reason why it is more difficult in today's world to win a tournament or a Major.

And finally - what does EYG mean?
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everyone young golfs:eek:

everyone yearns greatness:mmm:

ewe young git:eek:

end your game:confused:

entirely your game:p

enjoy your golf:temper:

your displaying researched intelligent answers Londonlewis, keep it up :clap:
 
HP has a massive thread on this subject. During Jacks reign a lot of the top European and World players of the time were absent in most of the Majors , as many simply couldn't travel as easily. I think only Jack and Arnie were the only ones that had their own jets.

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Huh - you compare Mr Woods with the incomparable Mr Hogan - how very dare you.
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A small snippet from John Coyne's interview, who wrote a book about the great Mr Hogan:
''Hogan was often written about as being cold and unfriendly. You show a warm and human side to the man. How much of that is true?

No doubt towards the end of his life Hogan was much more accessible to the public than he was during his playing days. Still, he was always shy and distant with strangers, and had only a few close friends. For example, when Hogan was in his last years of active competition, he built a ten-room mansion in Fort Worth that had only one bedroom. He wasn’t inviting anyone to stay overnight. That was Hogan’s way. However, in many of the books I’ve read, Hogan was always warm, friendly, and outgoing with children, so his attitude towards the caddie Jack, one of the central elements of the novel, is, I believe, very true to his personality''.

Sounds very similar...........hhhhmmmmmmmmm!

As for Tiger hardly signing for fans, well put it this way. Many reports of grown men pushing or trampling over children to get a signature. Do you blame the man?
 
Wildrover said:
Haven't trawled through the whole thread but it's simple really.

One acts like a petulant child who spits all over the course and scowls like he's having dental surgery, the other is Rory McIlroy. Simples.
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Maybe the wrong choice of words there... There was only one man sulking around the course before walking off like a baby with the word dental associated to the whole situation and it wasn't Tiger Woods. :o
 
triple_bogey said:
[video=youtube;EcpKj-NbzW4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcpKj-NbzW4[/video]

Tiger's petulance definitely makes these guys action's seem minor. :thup:
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I remember the commentators after the Hass one saying "well you can understand his frustration" the same commentators who slam Tiger for every little crime he commits... Its a game full of sad, sad people really but the funny thing about it is I honestly don't believe Tiger gives a crap what a load of no-bodies think of him.
 
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londonlewis said:
You could argue that Tiger Woods made a bigger impact on the fitness front.
there is no doubting that Gary Player was ahead of his time but the impact he made did not make a change to the rest of the field.
However, people used to talk about the 'Tiger effect'. Other players changed their diets, training techniques and fitness regimes because Tiger was much fitter than everyone else.
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I'm with you on this one!

Player won lots, but not by huge margins. Some of Tiger's wins were by huge margins. There was never any talk of 'Player-proofing courses, but there certainly was of Tiger-proofing!

As for your 'Better Travel' challenge, there has ben a vast increase in the opportunities to win, not just compared to Player - who liked to return to SA, but it's just been a lot simpler to get to tournaments since those days.
 
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