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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

I keep hearing that those who are cautious regarding all precautions being removed this month are hanging on to pointless statistics and taking too much notice of the numbers branded in the press, that they want restrictions to remain for ever. These type of accusations are somewhat insulting in my opinion.

Many (myself included) feel uncomfortable with the concept of people with Covid (Not contacts) not being required to isolate until their infectious period has lapsed. All I want are sensible precautions (And that's what they are, precautions rather than restrictions, I don't believe anyone is asking for more lockdowns) to be kept in place until the Experts are confident we are at the right point in time to remove them. It seems to me that there are a number now that use the term 'Live with Covid' as a substitute for 'Ignore Covid'

There has been what seems like an off the cuff comment that we may be removing precautions in the next few weeks, it hasn't been a hard and fast policy yet but maybe what could be more diversionary to blow the scent from other matters.

I just cannot see how such a change could be considered without the support of scientific approval. I do understand how some are tired of the whole Covid situation, I'm sick and tired of it myself but thats not a good enough reason to jump in feet first.
 
SocketRocket said:
I keep hearing that those who are cautious regarding all precautions being removed this month are hanging on to pointless statistics and taking too much notice of the numbers branded in the press, that they want restrictions to remain for ever. These type of accusations are somewhat insulting in my opinion.

Many (myself included) feel uncomfortable with the concept of people with Covid (Not contacts) not being required to isolate until their infectious period has lapsed. All I want are sensible precautions (And that's what they are, precautions rather than restrictions, I don't believe anyone is asking for more lockdowns) to be kept in place until the Experts are confident we are at the right point in time to remove them. It seems to me that there are a number now that use the term 'Live with Covid' as a substitute for 'Ignore Covid'

There has been what seems like an off the cuff comment that we may be removing precautions in the next few weeks, it hasn't been a hard and fast policy yet but maybe what could be more diversionary to blow the scent from other matters.

I just cannot see how such a change could be considered without the support of scientific approval. I do understand how some are tired of the whole Covid situation, I'm sick and tired of it myself but thats not a good enough reason to jump in feet first.
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I understand your concern and fear but if those that are worried just keep wearing masks, isolating, social distancing and avoiding any crowded places that is absolutely fine but let’s not make their fears impinge on the lives of the vast numbers of people who think differently, including our current leaders. The worried don’t need to interact with others, they can continue to lead their lives how they want to but let others live theirs.
 
D-S said:
I understand your concern and fear but if those that are worried just keep wearing masks, isolating, social distancing and avoiding any crowded places that is absolutely fine but let’s not make their fears impinge on the lives of the vast numbers of people who think differently, including our current leaders. The worried don’t need to interact with others, they can continue to lead their lives how they want to but let others live theirs.
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It doesn't work like that. To mitigate the worse effects of the virus we need most people being cautious and not have others impinge on the lives of vast numbers of people who think differently.

Do you have any evidence vast numbers or even a majority agree with your preference.
 
SocketRocket said:
I keep hearing that those who are cautious regarding all precautions being removed this month are hanging on to pointless statistics and taking too much notice of the numbers branded in the press, that they want restrictions to remain for ever. These type of accusations are somewhat insulting in my opinion.

Many (myself included) feel uncomfortable with the concept of people with Covid (Not contacts) not being required to isolate until their infectious period has lapsed. All I want are sensible precautions (And that's what they are, precautions rather than restrictions, I don't believe anyone is asking for more lockdowns) to be kept in place until the Experts are confident we are at the right point in time to remove them. It seems to me that there are a number now that use the term 'Live with Covid' as a substitute for 'Ignore Covid'

There has been what seems like an off the cuff comment that we may be removing precautions in the next few weeks, it hasn't been a hard and fast policy yet but maybe what could be more diversionary to blow the scent from other matters.

I just cannot see how such a change could be considered without the support of scientific approval. I do understand how some are tired of the whole Covid situation, I'm sick and tired of it myself but thats not a good enough reason to jump in feet first.
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1) I’ve not heard anyone say the restrictions should remain forever.

2) Precautions ‘v’ restrictions. I think you’re playing with semantics. One person’s precaution might be the next person’s restriction.

3) It’s your interpretation to say “ignore.” A bit of hyperbole?
 
So all the relevant significant numbers in regards serious illness and deaths because of Covid are on the decrease, all the decisions have been based on the numbers so that’s how they are moving forward - using the numbers.

People can now make their own choices

They can avoid crowded areas , wear masks and continue with all the sanitising

Many people need to move on now , everything needs to recover to get us back to normal as best as we can.
 
Hobbit said:
1) I’ve not heard anyone say the restrictions should remain forever.

2) Precautions ‘v’ restrictions. I think you’re playing with semantics. One person’s precaution might be the next person’s restriction.

3) It’s your interpretation to say “ignore.” A bit of hyperbole?
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1) The accusation is used against those who feel we need some more time before discarding precautions. (You may want restrictions/Lockdowns indefinitely)

2) Mask wearing and isolating the Infected are precautions but 'Restrictions' is used as it sounds more like an infringement of liberties.

3) 'Living with Covid' has been branded around for a long time now but there never appears to be an explanation of how we should be doing this, I can only assume that it means we should ignore it's existence, similar to what's being suggested right now that infected people just get on with it however they see fit. In my opinion that's 'ignoring it' and not hyperbole
 
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SocketRocket said:
1) The accusation is used against those who feel we need some more time before discarding precautions. (You may want restrictions/Lockdowns indefinitely)

2) Mask wearing and isolating the Infected are precautions but 'Redtrictions' is used as it sounds more like an infringement of liberties.

3) 'Living with Covid' has been branded around for a long time now but there never appears to be an explanation of how we should be doing this, I can only assume that it means we should ignore it's existence, similar to what's being suggested right now that infected people just get on with it however they see fit. In my opinion that's 'ignoring it' and not hyperbole
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See post #25,402
 
SocketRocket said:
1) The accusation is used against those who feel we need some more time before discarding precautions. (You may want restrictions/Lockdowns indefinitely)

2) Mask wearing and isolating the Infected are precautions but 'Restrictions' is used as it sounds more like an infringement of liberties.

3) 'Living with Covid' has been branded around for a long time now but there never appears to be an explanation of how we should be doing this, I can only assume that it means we should ignore it's existence, similar to what's being suggested right now that infected people just get on with it however they see fit. In my opinion that's 'ignoring it' and not hyperbole
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Living with Covid = treating it like the flu with a few extra self precautions

if you feel ill -stay at home

If you have symptoms stay at home

Take a booster each year
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Living with Covid = treating it like the flu with a few extra self precautions

if you feel ill -stay at home

If you have symptoms stay at home

Take a booster each year
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It's not Flu.

Many people won't stay at home if they don't have to.

Yes, why not take a booster. That's nothing to do with what's been said though.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Living with Covid = treating it like the flu with a few extra self precautions

if you feel ill -stay at home

If you have symptoms stay at home

Take a booster each year
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It isn't like flu though and has the capability of being very serious as I see every day. Some won't stay in even if they have symptoms and so risk spreading it around. Even the vulnerable have to go out sometimes (doctor appointment etc) so its not as simple as getting on with it for everyone. It isn't feasible to stay in all the time and at the very least it can't have any positive effect on a persons mental well being
 
SocketRocket said:
I keep hearing that those who are cautious regarding all precautions being removed this month are hanging on to pointless statistics and taking too much notice of the numbers branded in the press, that they want restrictions to remain for ever. These type of accusations are somewhat insulting in my opinion.

Many (myself included) feel uncomfortable with the concept of people with Covid (Not contacts) not being required to isolate until their infectious period has lapsed. All I want are sensible precautions (And that's what they are, precautions rather than restrictions, I don't believe anyone is asking for more lockdowns) to be kept in place until the Experts are confident we are at the right point in time to remove them. It seems to me that there are a number now that use the term 'Live with Covid' as a substitute for 'Ignore Covid'

There has been what seems like an off the cuff comment that we may be removing precautions in the next few weeks, it hasn't been a hard and fast policy yet but maybe what could be more diversionary to blow the scent from other matters.

I just cannot see how such a change could be considered without the support of scientific approval. I do understand how some are tired of the whole Covid situation, I'm sick and tired of it myself but thats not a good enough reason to jump in feet first.
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Which experts?

When these decisions are made, they are based on discussions with many experts, who lead very large teams of other experts. If they basically feel we should not ease restrictions, and their expertise is completely ignored, then I'm sure they'd resign on mass. And, I don't see any benefit in ignoring the experts.

That doesn't mean any decision goes from 100% restriction needed to 100% no restriction needed. It is a balancing act. No doubt people in these teams challenge the pros and cons of each decision, before making a judgement call on the right decision. It is why we'll see experts, and many independent ones, giving opposing views in the media. There are pros and cons to every decision.

So, for me, I'm inclined to believe that any changes that occur with restrictions will have been backed by well respected experts.
 
SocketRocket said:
I keep hearing that those who are cautious regarding all precautions being removed this month are hanging on to pointless statistics and taking too much notice of the numbers branded in the press, that they want restrictions to remain for ever. These type of accusations are somewhat insulting in my opinion.

Many (myself included) feel uncomfortable with the concept of people with Covid (Not contacts) not being required to isolate until their infectious period has lapsed. All I want are sensible precautions (And that's what they are, precautions rather than restrictions, I don't believe anyone is asking for more lockdowns) to be kept in place until the Experts are confident we are at the right point in time to remove them. It seems to me that there are a number now that use the term 'Live with Covid' as a substitute for 'Ignore Covid'

There has been what seems like an off the cuff comment that we may be removing precautions in the next few weeks, it hasn't been a hard and fast policy yet but maybe what could be more diversionary to blow the scent from other matters.

I just cannot see how such a change could be considered without the support of scientific approval. I do understand how some are tired of the whole Covid situation, I'm sick and tired of it myself but thats not a good enough reason to jump in feet first.
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Apologies if my comment was insulting. That wasn't my intention.
I'm clumsily trying to say that a totally depersonalised daily figure of how many humans died yesterday has become an obsession for some of us and a meaningless statistic for others.
I'm not entirely certain which camp I occupy, which causes me to think I've become desensitised to it, which I don't believe is healthy.
 
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