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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Tashyboy said:
i don't believe that the vaccine will stand still. But it seems to me that the vaccine is now the primary defence against Covid. And without getting to political restrictions are rammel.
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I think you're in danger of only thinking in "here and now" terms. Easy to do as it's the here-and-now that's affecting us.

We rely on the flu vaccine to an extent as well, relying on vaccines is nothing new. There might be a slight shift in the risk profile (who is most vulnerable) but by-and-large we already rely on vaccines to various virus infections as is.

Restrictions are, indeed rammel as you put it, but any new or unknown virus that comes along is going to give us problems early doors until the knowledge, understanding and, importantly, solutions can mature. Which we WILL get to.

Big picture thinking is that we will learn to live with covid, like the flu, just with a different risk profile (vaccinate most at risk early and often as we do with flu).

Is it the same as flu? No, and I'm not saying it is, but that's not to say that the solution isn't the same with adjusted parameters.
 
GreiginFife said:
I think you're in danger of only thinking in "here and now" terms. Easy to do as it's the here-and-now that's affecting us.

We rely on the flu vaccine to an extent as well, relying on vaccines is nothing new. There might be a slight shift in the risk profile (who is most vulnerable) but by-and-large we already rely on vaccines to various virus infections as is.

Restrictions are, indeed rammel as you put it, but any new or unknown virus that comes along is going to give us problems early doors until the knowledge, understanding and, importantly, solutions can mature. Which we WILL get to.

Big picture thinking is that we will learn to live with covid, like the flu, just with a different risk profile (vaccinate most at risk early and often as we do with flu).

Is it the same as flu? No, and I'm not saying it is, but that's not to say that the solution isn't the same with adjusted parameters.
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I was fortunate that Missis T mentioned early doors/ last year about virus mutations, vaccines to combat the virus, vaccines to combat mutations. Etc. She also mentioned a month before it became a concern re care homes and vulnerable elderly people with underlying conditions.
My main concerns at the moment ( there’s 2 ) is that when a new virus comes along, Kent, Indian etc. There is some level of concern re will the current AZ, Pfizer etc vaccines give some level of protection. At the moment the vaccines have held up, but for how long. The second concern is. How are these Indian, Brazilian variants getting here so easily. We all know the answer to that and that is where my rammel restrictions comment comes in. I honestly do believe that restrictions should be gradually eased, but the way things have been handled I can see us having taking a few backward steps ☹️
 
need_my_wedge said:
This bugs the f*** out of me too. I just don't get why people are so selfish, travelling and potentially spreading the virus. There has been so much pain and sacrifice over the last year and a half, just when we see some light, it makes me so angry when I hear of people undermining the whole effort, whether intentional or not. It doesn't help with the likes of UEFA holding a cup final with two English teams, in Portugal, why not rearrange in the UK with minimal foreign travel. or the Olympic committee insisting on the games going ahead and sending 1000's of athletes from multiple countries into Tokyo. Just beggars belief at time.
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Apparently, UEFA came to the Government wanting exemptions to our quarantine restrictions for their sponsors, dignitaries and broadcasters. The Government apparently refused so UEFA showed their true colours and followed the money rather than considering the fans and found a Government that would cave in to their demands.

Despite the fact that I will be sitting in my living room tomorrow evening rather than in Wembley stadium, I can only applaud the Government for sticking to its guns, and my opinion of UEFA has plumbed new depths, which believe me takes some doing.

Having had yet another concert cancelled this week, I can only hope we are getting near the end of this because the current existence that we have is doing nothing for me.
 
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Tashyboy said:
I was fortunate that Missis T mentioned early doors/ last year about virus mutations, vaccines to combat the virus, vaccines to combat mutations. Etc. She also mentioned a month before it became a concern re care homes and vulnerable elderly people with underlying conditions.
My main concerns at the moment ( there’s 2 ) is that when a new virus comes along, Kent, Indian etc. There is some level of concern re will the current AZ, Pfizer etc vaccines give some level of protection. At the moment the vaccines have held up, but for how long. The second concern is. How are these Indian, Brazilian variants getting here so easily. We all know the answer to that and that is where my rammel restrictions comment comes in. I honestly do believe that restrictions should be gradually eased, but the way things have been handled I can see us having taking a few backward steps ☹️
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Well, you think you know the answer. You do know that the variants may not have originated in the places they are named after, right? Its only where they were first discovered.
There is absolutely nothing to say that the "Indian" strain didn't mutate inside the body of a 18 year old ginger kid called Gavin from Mansfield and passed on to someone that travelled to India...

There are many possibilities as to how variants get around. We may very well have had the variants all along we just don't know.

But equally we can't just jump on the "if the borders were closed" bandwagon.

Yes, we may need to take a step backwards but the sooner we do, the shorter the requirement. After all, let's not forget what happened only a few short months ago due to procrastination.

I get your frustration, but at this point, and especially at this time, we need to keep our heads and think clearly, not allow emotion to dictate our decisions or around the loop we go.

All, of course, just my opinion. I personally feel too many are jumping on the easy answers band wagons.
 
It's more about vaccinations and SD practices than it is about variants, IMHO.
We've had the original, Kent and Brazilian have we not.?
And where the vaccinations have been implemented and SD practiced, we have got on top of them.
 
GreiginFife said:
Well, you think you know the answer. You do know that the variants may not have originated in the places they are named after, right? Its only where they were first discovered.
There is absolutely nothing to say that the "Indian" strain didn't mutate inside the body of a 18 year old ginger kid called Gavin from Mansfield and passed on to someone that travelled to India...

There are many possibilities as to how variants get around. We may very well have had the variants all along we just don't know.

But equally we can't just jump on the "if the borders were closed" bandwagon.

Yes, we may need to take a step backwards but the sooner we do, the shorter the requirement. After all, let's not forget what happened only a few short months ago due to procrastination.

I get your frustration, but at this point, and especially at this time, we need to keep our heads and think clearly, not allow emotion to dictate our decisions or around the loop we go.

All, of course, just my opinion. I personally feel too many are jumping on the easy answers band wagons.
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GreiginFife said:
Well, you think you know the answer. You do know that the variants may not have originated in the places they are named after, right? Its only where they were first discovered.
There is absolutely nothing to say that the "Indian" strain didn't mutate inside the body of a 18 year old ginger kid called Gavin from Mansfield and passed on to someone that travelled to India...

There are many possibilities as to how variants get around. We may very well have had the variants all along we just don't know.

But equally we can't just jump on the "if the borders were closed" bandwagon.

Yes, we may need to take a step backwards but the sooner we do, the shorter the requirement. After all, let's not forget what happened only a few short months ago due to procrastination.

I get your frustration, but at this point, and especially at this time, we need to keep our heads and think clearly, not allow emotion to dictate our decisions or around the loop we go.

All, of course, just my opinion. I personally feel too many are jumping on the easy answers band wagons.
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I don’t think I know the answer, I know I don’t know the answer. But I do know that 1 million coming into the country from abroad, some from high risk countries does not help. Why have we gone through so much turmoil over the last 15 months to literally have open borders ? How is that helping. Even Gavin in Mansfield knows that’s not helping.??
 
Tashyboy said:
I don’t think I know the answer, I know I don’t know the answer. But I do know that 1 million coming into the country from abroad, some from high risk countries does not help. Why have we gone through so much turmoil over the last 15 months to literally have open borders ? How is that helping. Even Gavin in Mansfield knows that’s not helping.??
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Please stop this constant pontificating about international travel as it’s coming from a man who at the start of the pandemic ignored recommendations and jetted across the world potentially spreading or bringing back Covid.

You're embarrassing
 
Just had my second jab brought forward to this morning - maybe the side effect is I will remember how to strike my irons properly again.
 
theoneandonly said:
Please stop this constant pontificating about international travel as it’s coming from a man who at the start of the pandemic ignored recommendations and jetted across the world potentially spreading or bringing back Covid.

You're embarrassing
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You see that’s the point i ignored nothing. I did exactly as the UK government said at the time. Mexico was safe to travel to. End of. When the UK went Into lockdown Mexico was still safe. Portugal is now classed as safe to travel to. Are all those that are going embarrassing themselves.
If you think that the traffic light system is good then it’s you that are embarrassing yourself
Green, good to go Portugal (and Mexico pre lockdown) That works for me.
Red, do not go. That works for me
Amber, you can go but we would prefer that you didn’t. Thats the governments stance. Eh, What the hell is that all about.
 
Tashyboy said:
I don’t think I know the answer, I know I don’t know the answer. But I do know that 1 million coming into the country from abroad, some from high risk countries does not help. Why have we gone through so much turmoil over the last 15 months to literally have open borders ? How is that helping. Even Gavin in Mansfield knows that’s not helping.??
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You stated quite clearly, and I quote "we all know the answer to that..."

You don't know, we don't know. We are just guessing. And there's inherent dangers in guessing.

Tashyboy said:
You see that’s the point i ignored nothing. I did exactly as the UK government said at the time. Mexico was safe to travel to. End of. When the UK went Into lockdown Mexico was still safe. Portugal is now classed as safe to travel to. Are all those that are going embarrassing themselves.
If you think that the traffic light system is good then it’s you that are embarrassing yourself
Green, good to go Portugal (and Mexico pre lockdown) That works for me.
Red, do not go. That works for me
Amber, you can go but we would prefer that you didn’t. Thats the governments stance. Eh, What the hell is that all about.
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Not sure where to start here.
Ok first, we were advised to lock down and, this is important, not leave home.
Mexico was safe? We have no idea if Mexico was "safe", we have no idea if you didn't bring a variant back with you.
The main lesson is that just because something is deemed safe, it doesn't mean its advisable or even sensible. Its deemed safe to take a bath in baked beans and whisky, but its probably not advisable nor sensible.

The lockdown instruction of "stay at home unless for essential travel/supplies" wasn't "stay at home, unless you have a Mexican get away booked".

Bottom line, no matter how you cut it is we were to stay at home when the lockdown was announced. That "open border" situation is exactly the same as you are complaining about now.
 
I agree with Tash regarding the restriction of inward travel faster from countries like India when it was clear they were experiencing a huge increase in infections and also with a new variant that was of concern. IMO we should have acted a week earlier and insisted anyone arriving from there needed to be placed in quarantine even if it was at public expense. We can see clearly the effect delaying has made.
 
theoneandonly said:
Please stop this constant pontificating about international travel as it’s coming from a man who at the start of the pandemic ignored recommendations and jetted across the world potentially spreading or bringing back Covid.

You're embarrassing
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Right, let’s knock this on the head once and for all.

When Tash went to Mexico it was on the allowed list, he didn’t break any rules, therefore he should not be constantly hounded by this.

You may have made a different choice, that’s fine, but let’s not kick someone for making his choice when it was within the rules at that time and therefore perfectly legitimate
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Right, let’s knock this on the head once and for all.

When Tash went to Mexico it was on the allowed list, he didn’t break any rules, therefore he should not be constantly hounded by this.

You may have made a different choice, that’s fine, but let’s not kick someone for making his choice when it was within the rules at that time and therefore perfectly legitimate
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Phil,

Whilst I understand the point you are making, the issue was not with him making the decision to go; the issue was with the lectures being issued from the other side of the Atlantic to the rest of us about not travelling. The level of hypocrisy in doing that was ridiculous. The post is on Page 117 & is reproduced below;

Tashyboy said:
Today's thought of the day.

The Virus does not move,
People move it.
We stop moving,
The Virus stops moving.
The virus dies.
It's as simple as that
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If he'd legitimately gone, kept quiet & not lectured anyone else I doubt there would have been a problem.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Phil,

Whilst I understand the point you are making, the issue was not with him making the decision to go; the issue was with the lectures being issued from the other side of the Atlantic to the rest of us about not travelling. The level of hypocrisy in doing that was ridiculous. The post is on Page 117 & is reproduced below;



If he'd legitimately gone, kept quiet & not lectured anyone else I doubt there would have been a problem.
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I get that
However I do not want another member hounded off the forum in the same way HJS was, therefore I’d like it to stop
I’ll suggest to Tash that he keeps out of travel related Covid posts ?
 
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