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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

RichA said:
It's still only considered to be a very rare side effect, yet you have raised it a few times on this golf forum.
I hope it hasn't put anyone off being vaccinated.
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OK, so I need to justify myself to you.

The events are very rare, but not unimportant. At the start of this adverse event story, the UK-reported rate was less than 1 in a million. I said that this almost certainly involved significant under-reporting, because I have dealt with these reporting systems, and I was right. It is now 1 in 50,000, a 20-fold increase. But the media and many people in the general public still see this as a lightning strike event. But for younger people and at a time of lowish prevalence (and therefore risk) of Covid, it is a finely balanced risk, as evidenced by the JCVI advice. They didn't take that because of me raising the issue on a golf forum, I imagine.

This report today is important because hitherto, all these events were on the venous side of the circulation. I speculated that it seemed highly unlikely that problems on the arrival side would not also occur, and these are exactly that. More problematically, these events have a higher background rate and are less noticeable than CVST and SVT, the initially reported events.

Now you may not give a toss if there is a large safety problem with this vaccine, but I do.

And how dare you accuse me of possibly putting people at harm. Withdraw that accusation, please.
 
@Ethan You do seem to have a bit of a downer on the AZ vaccine for some reason. I may be wrong but it does come across as though you are looking for reasons to dismiss it whether through comparisons of efficacy to the other vaccines or by highlighting these stories about it. A few days ago a report came out from the US that the CDC were investigating cases of heart problems (I think) in younger adults and children who had been given the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine but you seem to have ignored that.

As I said I may be completely wrong and it's always difficult to judge the tone of a written post but my reading of some of your previous posts is that you aren't as supportive of the AZ vaccine as you are of the others.
 
ColchesterFC said:
@Ethan You do seem to have a bit of a downer on the AZ vaccine for some reason. I may be wrong but it does come across as though you are looking for reasons to dismiss it whether through comparisons of efficacy to the other vaccines or by highlighting these stories about it. A few days ago a report came out from the US that the CDC were investigating cases of heart problems (I think) in younger adults and children who had been given the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine but you seem to have ignored that.

As I said I may be completely wrong and it's always difficult to judge the tone of a written post but my reading of some of your previous posts is that you aren't as supportive of the AZ vaccine as you are of the others.
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I am aware of the report of myocarditis with mRNA vaccines. That is actually old news, first reported last year, and quickly thought by many to be a red herring because of the way the cases clustered in one place and nowhere else. Sorry if I didn't post extensively on the non-story then. A few weeks ago, FDA and CDC reported they saw no relationship between the Pfizer vaccine and those events. You may wish to edit your accusation I ignored that breaking news.

The reports of adverse events with AZ (and Janssen) are, on the there hand, real and connected to the design of the vaccine, in particular the adenovirus vector. Exactly the same happens with the similar Janssen vaccine and almost certainly happens with Sputnik, although that has not been reported. The possibility of the vector causing an immunological problem was identified at the very start, although considered to mainly to reduce efficacy. That may also happen, because the efficacy of AZ and Janssen is less than the mRNAs, but the safety issues related to the same issue have overtaken that as a concern.

One of my big concerns was the hasty manner in which initial reports were quickly taken as the final word, because I know the reliability of adverse event reports when compared to proper epidemiology, and so it proved. The scale of this problem was unknowable at the start, yet many dismissed it out of hand, accompanied with various political theories, but the real incidence has grown as it inevitably was going to do.

I don't have a downer on AZ. I have friends and relatives that got it, and the overall success of the country and world's Covid strategy depends to a large extent on it. It is a good vaccine, but I think, and ample evidence exists to suggest, that the mRNAs are better. I am indeed therefore less supportive of it if alternatives are available. Essentially the vaccines all do the same thing but the delivery mechanism for the adenovirus vectors impairs it a bit, whereas the mRNAs are a "cleaner" way of delivering the immune response.
 
Ethan said:
OK, so I need to justify myself to you.
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Not really. I'm just a punter on a golf forum posting under a pseudonym.
Ethan said:
Now you may not give a toss if there is a large safety problem with this vaccine, but I do.
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I would care greatly, if it seemed to be the case, but fear of vaccination seems to be a more dangerous issue.
Ethan said:
And how dare you accuse me of possibly putting people at harm. Withdraw that accusation, please.
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I didn't accuse you of anything. It's just a conversation on a golf forum where vaccine fear has been discussed.
 
pauljames87 said:
All leaders in the area , religious, council, celebs, respected people .. should take the vaccine and make a massive deal of it like khan did in London all over twitter etc etc and how all MPs have done

Just show it's safe

Dunno what more people can want than those in charge taking it .. they wouldn't take something unsafe
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Didn’t that already happen? I think to remember a push during Ramadan because people thought it wasn’t possible while fasting.
 
RichA said:
Not really. I'm just a punter on a golf forum posting under a pseudonym.

I would care greatly, if it seemed to be the case, but fear of vaccination seems to be a more dangerous issue.

I didn't accuse you of anything. It's just a conversation on a golf forum where vaccine fear has been discussed.
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You accused me of raising this issue a number of times and implied that you thought some people might not get vaccinated as a result.

Be a man about it, don't sneak around semantics.
 
Ethan said:
You accused me of raising this issue a number of times and implied that you thought some people might not get vaccinated as a result.

Be a man about it, don't sneak around semantics.
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You say, "accused", I say pointed out - as did someone else.
Sorry to burst your bubble Ethan, but I don't place that much importance on your lengthy posts showing off your medical expertise on this internet golf forum.
Nor do I expect or intend anyone to take my own posts on any subject on this internet golf forum too seriously - I certainly don't. It is, after all, just an internet golf forum, not a public inquiry. We're just having conversations about what's going on in the world.
 
Ethan said:
You accused me of raising this issue a number of times and implied that you thought some people might not get vaccinated as a result.

Be a man about it, don't sneak around semantics.
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I agree with RichA, I don't find your post's of any real use and tbf you come accross as quite self important and can be very condescending It was a nicer thread when you had your little flounce and stopped posting. I guess your hangers on may disagree.
 
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theoneandonly said:
I agree with RichA, I don't find your post's of any real use and tbf you come accross as quite self important and can be very condescending It was a nicer thread when you had your little flounce and stopped posting. I guess your hangers on may disagree.
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Well, block me, then. Please. Or at least ignore my posts and I agree not to share my opinion of your value to the forum. I was considering leaving the forum, but I think I will stick around a bit longer just for you.
 
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RichA said:
You say, "accused", I say pointed out - as did someone else.
Sorry to burst your bubble Ethan, but I don't place that much importance on your lengthy posts showing off your medical expertise on this internet golf forum.
Nor do I expect or intend anyone to take my own posts on any subject on this internet golf forum too seriously - I certainly don't. It is, after all, just an internet golf forum, not a public inquiry. We're just having conversations about what's going on in the world.
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I really don't give a flying [redacted] what you think of my posts. Don't read my posts then and your petty vindictiveness won't be so easily triggered.
 
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Ethan said:
... Some private GPs get very pissed off after a while with over-demanding patients who have little wrong with them but expect 24/7 service.
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It's not just GPs! I work with a (imo) hypocondriac! And on the few occasions I've been to my practice's surgery (Livi is great for my current needs), it's surprising how many 'familiar' faces seemed to be there!
 
Swinglowandslow said:
I take it you mean " up to others to accept them or reject them, as they see fit"?
I'm all for strong opinions ( have them myself from time to time ), but then it is necessary to allow others the same , and be prepared for others to strongly criticise those strong opinions you have expressed, without insult or belittling.
Basic forum participation.
As it happens, I thought he was amusingly using hyperbole, but it seems he wasn't. Though for the life of me, I do not see why he wishes he had not had the first jab! ( I take it that is what he said)...
Care to enlighten, Dog??
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Sorry yes - let me expand

Many people have strong opinions , as long as they are posted respectively , without derogatory comments and without looking to point score than many will listen or in the forum case read those strong opinions and if some disagree they will respond with the same level of respect towards the poster.
 
theoneandonly said:
I agree with RichA, I don't find your post's of any real use and tbf you come accross as quite self important and can be very condescending It was a nicer thread when you had your little flounce and stopped posting. I guess your hangers on may disagree.
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Sort of let the cat out the bag there haven’t you? Apparently you only joined in Jan this year but are aware of Ethan leaving the forum for a while and coming back:unsure:

I guess those who guessed you are an old poster back on a new name are correct.

Let’s hope the mods find out and your banned again or we find your previous username from you had your flounce.(y)
 
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