Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

The lockdown that they are imposing in France and Germany is no more stringent than the one we will be having until 12th April anyway despite our falling numbers, it’s going to be a minimum 19 weeks from then before we are ‘back to normalit’.
 
IainP said:
It's semantics and where the lines are drawn, but personally yes I see Sept to Mar as the 2nd. It is only now we see things dropping to where they were in Sept. The mini break in Nov wasn't significant enough IMO.
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I agree - second wave, first wave 2.0, just ways of labelling. More cases is what we should expect, call it what you prefer. The virus hasn't;t been attacking like an invading army sending in a new division of troops on their General's common, it has been endemic throughout, but better suppressed at some times compared to others, and once that suppression relaxes, back it comes.
 
What I don't understand is, last year when we came out of lockdown 1, things were eased a lot quicker than they are being tis time. We went back to the pub, we met with friends and family again etc. The weather was good so much of it was outdoors, and over the summer the virus died right down. No vaccine, just being outside, social distancing etc. This year we are entering the summer again, we have a vaccine, we have far greater knowledge about the virus, and we have a far higher natural immunity from those who have had the virus, yet we are being warned of yet another wave in the summer? It doesn't make any sense.
 
SaintHacker said:
What I don't understand is, last year when we came out of lockdown 1, things were eased a lot quicker than they are being tis time. We went back to the pub, we met with friends and family again etc. The weather was good so much of it was outdoors, and over the summer the virus died right down. No vaccine, just being outside, social distancing etc. This year we are entering the summer again, we have a vaccine, we have far greater knowledge about the virus, and we have a far higher natural immunity from those who have had the virus, yet we are being warned of yet another wave in the summer? It doesn't make any sense.
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We are lifting restrictions next Monday

We are what 12 weeks behind last time? This time last year was start of lockdown... So when we came out was much later in the year with even nicer weather

Then with regards to more restrictions on travel last time everyone else was ahead of us, better control of the wave, better lockdowns. Etc .. but this time their just entering lockdowns as we leave one

The gov has spent a lot of cash in this year to get us to today ..some wasted some not. It makes sense to be more cautious and slowly get things going. Last time it appeared to not have any affect but what's to say opening so quickly didn't spread it ready for second wave? Just like eat out to spread out
 
SaintHacker said:
What I don't understand is, last year when we came out of lockdown 1, things were eased a lot quicker than they are being tis time. We went back to the pub, we met with friends and family again etc. The weather was good so much of it was outdoors, and over the summer the virus died right down. No vaccine, just being outside, social distancing etc. This year we are entering the summer again, we have a vaccine, we have far greater knowledge about the virus, and we have a far higher natural immunity from those who have had the virus, yet we are being warned of yet another wave in the summer? It doesn't make any sense.
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But we have more transmissible variants and greater lockdown fatigue, and an end of term feeling which could be dangerous. The elder population were the people most likely to die if they got the virus, but not the group most likely to spread it around, and much of the latter are still unvaccinated. If the slowdown in supply lasts, there could be a problem.
 
Traminator said:
Obviously what we did last year didn't work.
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I think the latest news that there will be £5k fines for non essential travel emphasise your point. News came out last week that the travel corridor to Greece last august/sept increased the amount of cases that came into the UK. It’s not just us bringing it into the country but exporting the the virus as well.
As I mentioned yesterday, we needed to be in some kind of lockdown. There’s a difference in import and exporting food, vaccines etc and going on a cheeky weekend in Benidorm.
 
Traminator said:
Obviously what we did last year didn't work.
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In a way thoughit did. It came back as expected in the winter when we all moved back indoors.
I just fail to see, given all the improvements we have over last year, vaccine, testing, quarantines etc, other than a vaccine resistant strain surfacing (and pray to whichever god you choose it doesn't) how there can be another wave in this country. Prof Whity himself said when we vaccinate 50% of the population we've won, and we're just about there.
Just getting very very fed up with the constant snippets of good news followed by a load of doom mongering.
 
SaintHacker said:
In a way thoughit did. It came back as expected in the winter when we all moved back indoors.
I just fail to see, given all the improvements we have over last year, vaccine, testing, quarantines etc, other than a vaccine resistant strain surfacing (and pray to whichever god you choose it doesn't) how there can be another wave in this country. Prof Whity himself said when we vaccinate 50% of the population we've won, and we're just about there.
Just getting very very fed up with the constant snippets of good news followed by a load of doom mongering.
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It’s not doom mongering, it’s realism after so many mistakes make in the past where we didn’t lockdown soon enough, hard enough or for long enough.
 
Ethan said:
But we have more transmissible variants and greater lockdown fatigue, and an end of term feeling which could be dangerous. The elder population were the people most likely to die if they got the virus, but not the group most likely to spread it around, and much of the latter are still unvaccinated. If the slowdown in supply lasts, there could be a problem.
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Yes that is so, however, there are some pluses this time , are there not?
This time the easement of restrictions is to be better managed ( if people behave and like you say control their fatigue and end of term feelings).
The vaccinations must be a large factor in our favour, not just as regards illness, but as regards transmissions as well. But, yes, your point re the ones who spread it most not being the ones vaccinated is the kicker.
Time for those who have been vaccinated not to start demanding too much "freedom" too soon, in light of this inconvenient truth.
So, HMG, on and on with the vaccinations please??
 
SaintHacker said:
In a way thoughit did. It came back as expected in the winter when we all moved back indoors.
I just fail to see, given all the improvements we have over last year, vaccine, testing, quarantines etc, other than a vaccine resistant strain surfacing (and pray to whichever god you choose it doesn't) how there can be another wave in this country. Prof Whity himself said when we vaccinate 50% of the population we've won, and we're just about there.
Just getting very very fed up with the constant snippets of good news followed by a load of doom mongering.
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You are right, but don't let that fool you into pushing too hard on the "floodgates of freedom". Ethan's points re who spreads it most are valid, too valid, for us to drop our guard.
If we eased off too much, the ones who haven't been vaccinated happen to be the group who would use the easements more and thus be able to spread it. more. I.e. By age , economics, families and leisure activities etc, they are the ones most likely to be out and about more, pubs, cinemas, football matches etc.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
You are right, but don't let that fool you into pushing too hard on the "floodgates of freedom". Ethan's points re who spreads it most are valid, too valid, for us to drop our guard.
If we eased off too much, the ones who haven't been vaccinated happen to be the group who would use the easements more and thus be able to spread it. more. I.e. By age , economics, families and leisure activities etc, they are the ones most likely to be out and about more, pubs, cinemas, football matches etc.
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But by the same token this is the group that are least affected by it. The lockdowns were to protect the elderly and vulnerable, they're all now vaccinated. We were told once they were done we could start getting back to normal.I don't disagree woth coming out of it slowly, it seems a very sensible course of action. We've had over year of major disruption to say the least, livlihoods have been destroyed, companies have failed, and more will once the furlough ends. If its saved lives then its worth it, but we can't keep this up. To be told the end is in sight, to we might need to wear masks social distance etc for years, to there may be a third wave and another lockdown. Its just so massively demoralising. I probably sound selfish but its the way I feel unfortunately. I'm very grateful that I am well and so are my loved ones, but I want my life back.
 
SaintHacker said:
But by the same token this is the group that are least affected by it. The lockdowns were to protect the elderly and vulnerable, they're all now vaccinated. We were told once they were done we could start getting back to normal.I don't disagree woth coming out of it slowly, it seems a very sensible course of action. We've had over year of major disruption to say the least, livlihoods have been destroyed, companies have failed, and more will once the furlough ends. If its saved lives then its worth it, but we can't keep this up. To be told the end is in sight, to we might need to wear masks social distance etc for years, to there may be a third wave and another lockdown. Its just so massively demoralising. I probably sound selfish but its the way I feel unfortunately. I'm very grateful that I am well and so are my loved ones, but I want my life back.
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I cannot see there being further lockdowns, it just not possible on both a economic and social basis. The goal posts have already been moved in terms of reopening, the vulnerable (who account for the vast majority of hospitalisations and deaths) are now either protected or will be very shortly so how can there ever be further lockdowns? The vaccination seems to be effective against present variants so there should never been the need to lockdown against a Covid virus. Will further people die of it? Yes, that's going to be unavoidable however it is not going to disappear and people die each year from various ailments that we cannot be protected from. We are going to have to take our chances at some point and, for me, that point is rapidly arriving. I am not suggesting we open the floodgates right away however with the vaccination roll out almost complete amongst those most at risk then there should be no excuses to extend lockdowns/restrictions etc.
 
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