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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

spongebob59 said:
I think he was asking why the AZ vaccine is being singled out on this issue by the EU.
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Yes, obviously. It is a load of rubbish. it isn't even the EU that is doing this - if you recall they are in dispute with AZ over the repeated delivery shortfalls.

The EMA, whose policy was largely shaped by the MHRA when the UK was in the EMA, is a rational regulator, and approved the vaccine without restriction. Recent actions have been by country level regulators, the Scandos and Dutch being the most anglophile in Europe, so hardly making any self-injurious political points. And the actions were exactly what you would expect a regulator to do.
 
Ethan said:
Possibly 40, a lot more and who knows, respectively. But the process for sorting out adverse events starts with "Is this event related to taking the medicine?". The bit you are getting at comes later and is the "OK, there is a tiny extra risk. Is it still worth it?". Not that I am saying I think there IS a tiny extra risk, but even if there were, it wouldn't change the benefit-risk. Therefore, I expect a swift conclusion to this which results in reinstatement and business as usual.
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I guess that if a check was carried out on the numbers vaccinated there would be various health conditions happening, some mild, some serious and some fatal. The question is what would be a normal expectation among these numbers (and as you suggest, their age groups). Surely this could be a variatable stop start operation.
 
So who’s right in the European issue, those that are trained and who’s purpose is to authorize the use of medication and vaccine or individual governments. If it’s governments why bother having these organizations.

The harm this could do to confidence of individuals could be significant.
 
Ethan said:
Yes, obviously. It is a load of rubbish. it isn't even the EU that is doing this - if you recall they are in dispute with AZ over the repeated delivery shortfalls.

The EMA, whose policy was largely shaped by the MHRA when the UK was in the EMA, is a rational regulator, and approved the vaccine without restriction. Recent actions have been by country level regulators, the Scandos and Dutch being the most anglophile in Europe, so hardly making any self-injurious political points. And the actions were exactly what you would expect a regulator to do.
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Any idea why they haven't also paused the Pfizer jabs? From the comparisons given online it seems as though the numbers are pretty much the same for both AZ and Pfizer in terms of blood clots. Is there a reason to pause AZ and not Pfizer?

EDIT - by comparisons given online I mean in news stories such as on the BBC News website rather than from random Twitter posts.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Any idea why they haven't also paused the Pfizer jabs? From the comparisons given online it seems as though the numbers are pretty much the same for both AZ and Pfizer in terms of blood clots. Is there a reason to pause AZ and not Pfizer?

EDIT - by comparisons given online I mean in news stories such as on the BBC News website rather than from random Twitter posts.
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The regulator will look at any signal of an adverse event, and they are acting surveilling all the vaccine data they get. I don't know if they are concerned about Pfizer or not, but I am pretty sure they are not acting in a partisan manner. As I said before, the demographics, and therefore expected risk for people treated with either vaccine may be, and most likely is, different.
 
Over 50s might be fine (1st shot) by the end of this month. That ‘finishes’ the priority groups.

Is it ‘free for all’ after that, or are they going to continue to go down in 5s? Did Boris or anyone else say something to anything after the top 9?
 
Tashyboy said:
Portugal and Mauritius removed from red travel ban list. Whats the chances of slab sorting out a forum meet in Mauritius ?
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Well that's just mental
So we had no cases or lockdown for 9 months and were still put on the initial red list :unsure:
Last week we have a mini outbreak (now at 135 cases) following a quarantine breech, we're back under lockdown, the airport is shut and we're off the UK red list! :cautious:
 
Slab said:
Well that's just mental
So we had no cases or lockdown for 9 months and were still put on the initial red list :unsure:
Last week we have a mini outbreak (now at 135 cases) following a quarantine breech, we're back under lockdown, the airport is shut and we're off the UK red list! :cautious:
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Also Portugal has massive links to Brazil , thought they were black balled
 
One of my reg Playing partners is a GP and the first thing he said yesterday on the tee was what a load of rubbish it was some countrys stopping using the AZ vac due tp blood clots. And that the target group getting the vac were more liable to get blood clots anyway and that that number of vacs agaist BC was prob lower than the ave who would get them anyway.
 
Old Skier said:
So who’s right in the European issue, those that are trained and who’s purpose is to authorize the use of medication and vaccine or individual governments. If it’s governments why bother having these organizations.

The harm this could do to confidence of individuals could be significant.
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This whole sorry episode is a perfect example of my dislike for having so many layers of bureaucracy interfering with our everyday lives... Too many cooks and all that...
 
Slab said:
Well that's just mental
So we had no cases or lockdown for 9 months and were still put on the initial red list :unsure:
Last week we have a mini outbreak (now at 135 cases) following a quarantine breech, we're back under lockdown, the airport is shut and we're off the UK red list! :cautious:
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I suppose you could look at it as there's no point in us having you on the "banned list' if we cant go there anyway ? :unsure:
 
As a former scientist who is used to pouring over reams of data the issue is that this whole process is being played out in real time to the public. One potential reason for these countries putting the AZ vaccine on hold could be that although normal numbers of thrombotic events have been registered they may have all fallen within a very specific cohort which would be classed unusual.
This will probably end up being a statistical anomaly but as happens in all drug trials and early stage release the scrutiny is rigorous and very proactive.
 
Old Skier said:
So who’s right in the European issue, those that are trained and who’s purpose is to authorize the use of medication and vaccine or individual governments. If it’s governments why bother having these organizations.

The harm this could do to confidence of individuals could be significant.
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I guess there some merit in being (possibly over) cautious early, rather than being late and finding yourself in the mire. (Now, if only someone had thought of that 12 months ago?)
 
Slab said:
Well that's just mental
So we had no cases or lockdown for 9 months and were still put on the initial red list :unsure:
Last week we have a mini outbreak (now at 135 cases) following a quarantine breech, we're back under lockdown, the airport is shut and we're off the UK red list! :cautious:
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Yes, doesn't "compute" does it?

Don't suppose you mean Madeira and not Mauritius, Tash?
Given the "colonial" link history?
 
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