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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

DanFST said:
You would assume those under 50 are exempt tho?

It makes a tricky situation. I'd wait until every adult had a chance at a jab before mentioning it just to stop any problems.
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No, I wouldn't assume that. The UK is going to be forced to adopt vaccination passports whether they like it or not, first for foreign travel and then private facilities can choose to demand the same from customers. Once vaccination reaches a tipping point, it will happen. It won't wait until everybody has had a jab or that is this summer's travel market buggered again.
 
Ethan said:
There will be a vaccination passport (perhaps called something else). The Govt is trying not to start to encourage people who are vacc'd to behave differently, but when the over 50s are all vacc'd, it will appear.
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Doesn’t sound terribly fair. We lockdown to protect the vulnerable, they get a jab, we’re left in a state of limbo whilst those that have been jabbed live it up. Can’t see that going so well
 
Ethan said:
The Oxford and Janssen use a version of a common virus which is harmless to humans as a vector (vehicle) for the genetic code, which then generates the spike protein which in turn generates the immune reaction that protects you. The Pfizer vaccine takes a more direct route and presents the specific instructions about how the immune system should respond.

None of the currently available vaccines contain any Covid virus, so you can't catch Covid from any of them. Some vaccines in development (for example on e of the Chinese ones) are an older style attenuated (weakened) Covid virus type.

The reactions you got are immune reactions in the sense that your body is revving up its immune system. Some people who had Covid infections have noted stronger reactions to their first vaccine, and others have noted stronger reactions to the second vacc (same thing really).
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I recall some early reports of possible positive side effects for cancer sufferers and similar - were they attributed to just one of the vaccines would you know?
 
It’s all blitz spirit & dame Vera lynne until the war analogies become inconvenient. You fellas want to hang on to VJ Day. (You’ve got me doing it now) ???
 
I should get my 2nd shot at the end of April latest, assuming 12 weeks interval. As mid 40s I am going to be the youngest guy on Mallorca ;-)
I will have to leave the family behind.
 
Another post that could've gone in the "Random Irritations" thread. Just been checking out some holidays for 4 nights in August this year. A couple of years ago we went away during the same period to two different places that cost us £420 and £510 for the 4 nights. They've both got availability for exactly the same weeks this year but the prices are now £790 and £1190 respectively. I would've expected the prices to have risen in the last couple of years but it seems as though some places are trying to recoup all of their losses from last year in one hit. Sod that for a game of soldiers. There's no chance I'll be paying those prices.
 
Ethan said:
No, I wouldn't assume that. The UK is going to be forced to adopt vaccination passports whether they like it or not, first for foreign travel and then private facilities can choose to demand the same from customers. Once vaccination reaches a tipping point, it will happen. It won't wait until everybody has had a jab or that is this summer's travel market buggered again.
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We don't have numbers of fatalities by ages here. But if we use the US' numbers from 10th of February,

3567 deaths in ages 0-35.
443,107 total deaths.

All under 35's in the USA make 0.8% of the deaths, Women under 35 are at even less risk of fatality. The top 4 risk groups are still more likely to die than an under 35 after vaccination from what I'm seeing, unless I'm reading the very early data wrong. It would be political suicide.

I'm told as a young person we're all in this together, Is that only when suits? I know you are right and it's coming, other countries have it in the works. But I'd have thought the government would try and calm the majority of the population who are still much lower risk and make the whole thing a bit fairer. Not to mention if it was to get bad and another strain ruined our progress up to now, you can forget about those that got left behind following any restrictions.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Another post that could've gone in the "Random Irritations" thread. Just been checking out some holidays for 4 nights in August this year. A couple of years ago we went away during the same period to two different places that cost us £420 and £510 for the 4 nights. They've both got availability for exactly the same weeks this year but the prices are now £790 and £1190 respectively. I would've expected the prices to have risen in the last couple of years but it seems as though some places are trying to recoup all of their losses from last year in one hit. Sod that for a game of soldiers. There's no chance I'll be paying those prices.
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Looks like they are cutting their own throats
 
DanFST said:
We don't have numbers of fatalities by ages here. But if we use the US' numbers from 10th of February,

3567 deaths in ages 0-35.
443,107 total deaths.

All under 35's in the USA make 0.8% of the deaths, Women under 35 are at even less risk of fatality. The top 4 risk groups are still more likely to die than an under 35 after vaccination from what I'm seeing, unless I'm reading the very early data wrong. It would be political suicide.

I'm told as a young person we're all in this together, Is that only when suits? I know you are right and it's coming, other countries have it in the works. But I'd have thought the government would try and calm the majority of the population who are still much lower risk and make the whole thing a bit fairer. Not to mention if it was to get bad and another strain ruined our progress up to now, you can forget about those that got left behind following any restrictions.
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It is not just about deaths. Long Covid and downstream complications of disease may prove to be an even bigger problem than the acute issues, and hospital and ICU stays are very traumatic for patients and families. It is not really acceptable policy to allow the under 50s (not just the under 35s) to have Covid run through their population. It will encourage more mutations and the chance of a strain that defeats the vaccination and we are back to worse than square one again. Setting this up as the young suffering to protect the old is a mistaken view to take.
 
IainP said:
I recall some early reports of possible positive side effects for cancer sufferers and similar - were they attributed to just one of the vaccines would you know?
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They have been observed as a beneficial side effect of the immune activation that goes with either type of vaccination. Immunology treatments for cancer were a big area of research and development before Covid, and BCG (the TB vaccination) had been shown to have a good effect on certain cancers.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Another post that could've gone in the "Random Irritations" thread. Just been checking out some holidays for 4 nights in August this year. A couple of years ago we went away during the same period to two different places that cost us £420 and £510 for the 4 nights. They've both got availability for exactly the same weeks this year but the prices are now £790 and £1190 respectively. I would've expected the prices to have risen in the last couple of years but it seems as though some places are trying to recoup all of their losses from last year in one hit. Sod that for a game of soldiers. There's no chance I'll be paying those prices.
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Let's hope it is like the Millenium in Cornwall. Sadly I think people are so desperate to get away that they will just bite the bullet.
 
Leftitshort said:
Doesn’t sound terribly fair. We lockdown to protect the vulnerable, they get a jab, we’re left in a state of limbo whilst those that have been jabbed live it up. Can’t see that going so well
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We lockdown to protect everybody. Just because you are young, doesn't mean you want some of the nasty effects of Covid. It isn't over when the symptoms stop. Covid has a few time bombs available.
 
Tashyboy said:
could well be a case or waiting for last minute deals. ?
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Not sure that there will be any. Demand for holidays could well be massive and the greater the restriction on where you can go, the bigger the demand and the higher the cost. I have already given up on the idea of getting away in 2021 and am focusing on booking somewhere for my 20th wedding anniversary and 50th in 2022.
 
chrisd said:
Looks like they are cutting their own throats
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Possibly not. I suspect they have taken the view that, when restrictions are taken off there will be enough people "desperate " to get away for a break, that the prices will be paid.
And having read on here how some are "craving for release " , they may well succeed.
I'm not saying that it isn't understandable, wanting to be back to normal.
I'm sure we all do.
But I'd bet those prices will not go down, and enough will pay them.
I won't be one , though?
 
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