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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

larmen said:
But if they only do the over 16s, should we be done earlier?


Are there any trials going on minors, pregnant women, and other currently not vaccinated groups?
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There are some trials on pregnant women who can already be treated if the benefit-risk is considered to favour it. Likewise children can be treated if at special risk if not vacc'd. The problem with trialling on pregnant women is that it is impossible to prove a negative, that there is no risk. It is fairly easy to show that there does not appear to be a risk, but that is slightly different. It is very unlikely that the vaccine has different effects in a 15 year old than a 18 year old.

Other high risk groups, such as immunocomprimosed and HIV+ people have been included in studies. There should be no risk from the mRNAs for them, and little risk from others using viral vectors. There is a possibility tat the vaccination might not "take" in some of them, so testing afterwards to see if there has been an antibody response may be wise.

As far as I am aware the only groups who absolutely cannot have the vaccine are those with allergies to the specific ingredients. Allergies to penicillin (many of which really aren't anyway) or food colouring or whatever are no longer a contraindication.
 
Am i right in thinking that, unless there is a change in supply that allows a massive increase, we are soon going to hit a big slow down in the numbers vaccinated. Delaying the second jab is all well and good but soon the first of those are going to start hitting the 12 week period and so the focus will be on second injections rather than new people having the first one. With millions needing the second jab, we could see a big gap before those in the less at risk categories see jab one. Not being pessimistic, just seems inevitable
 
GreiginFife said:
I have to drive that to get to a shop
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whether required for work or shopping is a bit besides the point is it not - as @A herself says that she doesn't have to drive that distance/time for exercise...and many of us are not driving any distance for exercise if it is available on our doorstep - as that is what the guidance/rules advise in respect of exercise.

As we each can flex and push the boundaries of the rules we know where that can take us - and that is simply to where we are today.
 
GB72 said:
Am i right in thinking that, unless there is a change in supply that allows a massive increase, we are soon going to hit a big slow down in the numbers vaccinated. Delaying the second jab is all well and good but soon the first of those are going to start hitting the 12 week period and so the focus will be on second injections rather than new people having the first one. With millions needing the second jab, we could see a big gap before those in the less at risk categories see jab one. Not being pessimistic, just seems inevitable
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I was thinking the same in the wee small hours and worked out I'd get my jab in April as the 12 weekers would be coming in soon. Did an online calculator this morning and I'm 22 million in the queue which has taken into account the 12 weekers and due for the jab in 9 weeks , so I think that ties in within what were being told re timescales
 
Ethan said:
Other high risk groups, such as immunocomprimosed and HIV+ people have been included in studies.
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I have a friend with autoimmune problems and she is getting her shot on Friday. I know she asked her doctors and they told her that it doesn’t matter if it is AZ or Pfizer, take it.


Another friend got his 1st shot of Jansen on Tuesday, he seems to be part of a trial. He says it’s definitely not the placebo based on the reactions he experienced over the day and the 1st night. But then, there is a placebo effect.
 
GB72 said:
Am i right in thinking that, unless there is a change in supply that allows a massive increase, we are soon going to hit a big slow down in the numbers vaccinated. Delaying the second jab is all well and good but soon the first of those are going to start hitting the 12 week period and so the focus will be on second injections rather than new people having the first one. With millions needing the second jab, we could see a big gap before those in the less at risk categories see jab one. Not being pessimistic, just seems inevitable
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See discussion on this after #15,047
 
larmen said:
I have a friend with autoimmune problems and she is getting her shot on Friday. I know she asked her doctors and they told her that it doesn’t matter if it is AZ or Pfizer, take it.


Another friend got his 1st shot of Jansen on Tuesday, he seems to be part of a trial. He says it’s definitely not the placebo based on the reactions he experienced over the day and the 1st night. But then, there is a placebo effect.
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Older vaccines are a possible problem for immunocompromised patients because they can react to even weakened virus in a way that normal healthy people wouldn't. No such problem with these modern vaccines. The adenovirus vector for the AZ vaccine has been rendered harmless, even though it was pretty harmless to begin with and the mRNAs have nothing that will cause a problem.

The Janssen two shot trial is still going, so presumably your friend is in that. Results from one shot were very good, so two shots should be interesting. I don't know what the placebo is, if it is just salty water, then your friend might be right, but some trials use a different vaccine because of this possibility. The reason is that the assessment of symptoms could be coloured by conscious or unconscious knowledge about whether the person had received active or control. The subject and the assessor should both be blinded to the treatment allocation.
 
A premiership footballer has been fined £200 for getting a haircut, that will hurt him.

The German parliament has written to the DfB a few weeks ago about footballers haircuts for just the reason of example. And in a latest match I have watched they said that all haircuts of the Hertha BSC team have been done by the captain of the team, same bubble.
Much better message and example.
 
larmen said:
A premiership footballer has been fined £200 for getting a haircut, that will hurt him.

The German parliament has written to the DfB a few weeks ago about footballers haircuts for just the reason of example. And in a latest match I have watched they said that all haircuts of the Hertha BSC team have been done by the captain of the team, same bubble.
Much better message and example.
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Sadly for those with almost endless riches, a fine is never going to be a deterrent. There should be sanctions for the clubs involved.
 
Ethan said:
There are plenty of places that have threatened staff who vaccinate anyone not in the priority groups with referral to their regulatory body. It is a shame to waste any vaccine, and I would rather they grabbed people off the street than throw it away. Clinicians and frontline staff should not have to wait around for leftovers.
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Agree.. In the case of my good lady, her clinic is in a different county than where we live. So here turn hasnt come up within the Surrey cycle. However, when the Hamsps had some spares, they called her clinic to sweep up. Since then have spoken to my GP, he says, she will get her next jab via the local at the designated time.
 
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