Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Kellfire said:
Sorry to labour this video and repeat comment but having watched it all through, I just wanted to comment that I genuinely cried at around 15 minutes out of pure sadness and frustration for the doctor. He’s only one person on the front line who has to face this idiotic questioning and people belittling the effort they’re going to in order to help people and save lives. To have someone stand there and basically tell you that what you’re doing isn’t real must feel like such a huge slap in the face and be utterly demoralising. I’m genuinely so sad and angered by these sorts of attitudes.
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You weren't the only one thinking that. I really cannot comprehend what he didn't understand about the fact that the patient would die if he removed him.
 
Blue in Munich said:
You weren't the only one thinking that. I really cannot comprehend what he didn't understand about the fact that the patient would die if he removed him.
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BECAUSE YOU CAN’T DEFINE COVID 19 AND IT WAS DECLASSIFIED AS A DANGEROUS DISEASE IN MARCH 2020!!!!!

...he says, quoting tropes he saw on a David Icke video on YouTube whilst ignoring actual medical science.

I’m amazed he didn’t try to invoke Article 61 of Magna Carta for the full conspiracy bingo.
 
Traminator said:
I appreciate that financially it doesn't affect me, and I know I'm fortunate, but my feeling is that for the long term benefit of all of us, a slightly longer lockdown this time to finally get things under control would be much better than coming out too soon and then flip-flopping in and out of various levels of restrictions in the future.
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The problem as i see it is there is no end in sight, they wont give us any real idea as to when we can look forward to so people are basically sayi g sod this,I've had enough, and are ignoring the restrictions, thus draggung it out longer for the rest of us. I think it would be better maybe if they said we are having the mother of all lockdowns, even stricter than last spring, but put an end date on it. 4 weeks, 6 maybe. That way peolpe would be more inclined to abide by the rules
 
Kellfire said:
Sorry to labour this video and repeat comment but having watched it all through, I just wanted to comment that I genuinely cried at around 15 minutes out of pure sadness and frustration for the doctor. He’s only one person on the front line who has to face this idiotic questioning and people belittling the effort they’re going to in order to help people and save lives. To have someone stand there and basically tell you that what you’re doing isn’t real must feel like such a huge slap in the face and be utterly demoralising. I’m genuinely so sad and angered by these sorts of attitudes.
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I fear its not an isolated incident. When my wife worked on SCBU it was always the parents that caused issues with pushing boundaries and abusing staff. Yes I know its frustrating you're not being updated as to the patients condition and progress but the action of nursing will alway come first to ensure everything is done for the patient
 
Traminator said:
I appreciate that financially it doesn't affect me, and I know I'm fortunate, but my feeling is that for the long term benefit of all of us, a slightly longer lockdown this time to finally get things under control would be much better than coming out too soon and then flip-flopping in and out of various levels of restrictions in the future.
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That the key issue - finding the balance for what’s right for us all , some are ok with lockdown and it doesn’t affect the financially or mentally where as some are on the edge in regards both ( with some already other the edge ) . I can see this being the last lockdown we have with the vaccine being around. Tier system is going to be key
 
Kellfire said:
BECAUSE YOU CAN’T DEFINE COVID 19 AND IT WAS DECLASSIFIED AS A DANGEROUS DISEASE IN MARCH 2020!!!!!

...he says, quoting tropes he saw on a David Icke video on YouTube whilst ignoring actual medical science.

I’m amazed he didn’t try to invoke Article 61 of Magna Carta for the full conspiracy bingo.
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He's almost got a point;

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#history

Unfortunately he might have read the headline but clearly doesn't understand the full content.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-hcid/
 
upsidedown said:
I fear its not an isolated incident. When my wife worked on SCBU it was always the parents that caused issues with pushing boundaries and abusing staff. Yes I know its frustrating you're not being updated as to the patients condition and progress but the action of nursing will alway come first to ensure everything is done for the patient
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Oh absolutely. I can get why people become selfish, for lack of a better word, when it’s their own family who are sick or dying and I would expect medical professionals to take that into account when dealing with the family and friends of a patient. The medical professionals and even the security staff showed remarkable restraint in this video. The one young doctor who does most of the talking is visibly shaken by what he’s being confronted with in my opinion yet still remains in control. An excellent young man.
 
Blue in Munich said:
He's almost got a point;

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#history

Unfortunately he might have read the headline but clearly doesn't understand the full content.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-hcid/
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Oh yea, it’s one I’ve seen mentioned a lot. I’m a glutton for punishment when it comes to reading and watching conspiracy theory stuff! It’s just standard form for them to pick one tiny piece of the jigsaw and think they’ve solved it. It’s a basic example of a common human trait - we do all want to think we’ve cracked the case. Sadly it usually just demonstrates the Dunning-Kruger effect; the less intelligent a person is the less likely they are to doubt their own views and challenge them critically.
 
SaintHacker said:
The problem as i see it is there is no end in sight, they wont give us any real idea as to when we can look forward to so people are basically sayi g sod this,I've had enough, and are ignoring the restrictions, thus draggung it out longer for the rest of us. I think it would be better maybe if they said we are having the mother of all lockdowns, even stricter than last spring, but put an end date on it. 4 weeks, 6 maybe. That way peolpe would be more inclined to abide by the rules
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They won't know what the absolute situation will be as it relies on the general public conforming to rules and we have seen time and again how these get disregarded. I guess we get the type of lockdown we deserve.
 
Kellfire said:
BECAUSE YOU CAN’T DEFINE COVID 19 AND IT WAS DECLASSIFIED AS A DANGEROUS DISEASE IN MARCH 2020!!!!!

...he says, quoting tropes he saw on a David Icke video on YouTube whilst ignoring actual medical science.

I’m amazed he didn’t try to invoke Article 61 of Magna Carta for the full conspiracy bingo.
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In March or April Covid was removed from the list of High Consequence Infectious Diseases by a committee said to be independent of Govt. At the time, many suspected this was to give better legal liability against challenges to the quality of PPE.

This was based on longstanding criteria for a HCID which Covid did not all fulfil. But that is not the same as saying it is or is not a dangerous disease.

HCID

Perhaps the most useful conclusion is that this definition is not really fit for purpose.
 
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