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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Ethan said:
I agree with you on this. No, really.

Individual responsibility is important, but it is tied up with the messaging. Clear, calm and logical regulations get followed better than ones which seem to be reluctantly applied and delayed, or which are vague or contradictory in places. And the words need to be followed up by deeds. Jacinta Arden (NZ) forced her Health Minister to resign when he breached the rules.
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And this is the issue. Whats logical to you and I (wear a mask, don't go out if you don't have too, rule of 6 etc) isn't to someone else.

Im not having a go at you btw, Just those who are largely selfish, self entitled and have failed to adhere to any rules that have been put in place.

These type of people will never adhere to the rules whether clear and concise or not. I didn't vote for this govt but I'm not sure what they can do about those who don't adhere to the rules. Fines don't seem to be a deterrent. Certainly don't have the resources to lock them up.
 
My gf's colleague flew to Mexico for a holiday yesterday. Hasn't really affected me as such, more than that I'm even more convinced that you'd need proper authoritarian laws invoked to fight this. Not saying that would be right, but people are going to be people, which is stupid.

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Old Skier said:
And I thought you were in the know. Remind me who the body are that recommended on the priorities for vaccination as to numbers of vaccines, they have been ordered and payed for, I presume the production is the responsibility of the company, can’t remember seeing a production line in the HOC.

PS feel free to get personal, it shows were your true prejudices lie, like your posts, mine are based on an opinion.
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The Govt determined how many and which to order. If you think bodies like the JCVI are independent, you need to waken up. Anticipating production problems and having contingencies is a basic first day role for a junior project manager.

And if you didn't notice, you are getting personal too.
 
Junior said:
And this is the issue. Whats logical to you and I (wear a mask, don't go out if you don't have too, rule of 6 etc) isn't to someone else.

Im not having a go at you btw, Just those who are largely selfish, self entitled and have failed to adhere to any rules that have been put in place.

These type of people will never adhere to the rules whether clear and concise or not. I didn't vote for this govt but I'm not sure what they can do about those who don't adhere to the rules. Fines don't seem to be a deterrent. Certainly don't have the resources to lock them up.
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I think the Government (who I didn’t vote for either) have got more right than wrong, done some great things.
But the biggest issue was not clamping down and being tough enough initially.

Look at the fines that were overturned, the politicians/government employees (regardless of affiliation) that broke/bent the rules etc and up to date were there are differences within the Tiers.

If we know on here you’ll always get idiots, them maybe this was time to make an example of them.
 
Old Skier said:
And I thought you were in the know. Remind me who the body are that recommended on the priorities for vaccination as to numbers of vaccines, they have been ordered and payed for, I presume the production is the responsibility of the company, can’t remember seeing a production line in the HOC.

PS feel free to get personal, it shows were your true prejudices lie, like your posts, mine are based on an opinion.
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interesting to see in your world, you have opinions, but those who disagree with you have prejudices :D
 
pauldj42 said:
But the biggest issue was not clamping down and being tough enough initially.

Look at the fines that were overturned, the politicians/government employees (regardless of affiliation) that broke/bent the rules etc and up to date were there are differences within the Tiers.

If we know on here you’ll always get idiots, them maybe this was time to make an example of them.
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Exactly this, at the outset there were plenty of those who should have known better who breached all the laws/guidelines and there were excuses given (which appeared to be accepted) and no further action taken. This immediately gave those who felt they needed one an excuse to flout the rules themselves. Yes, you can trot out the whole "if they jumped off a cliff would you" however the point is that these are the people behind the rules. They should have had a strong example made of them at the outset and whilst that might not have deterred the most ardent rule breaker it would probably have made others think twice. Even recently you have the Scottish MP travelling on the train whilst knowingly having tested positive and she is still in a job. What sort of message does this send out? Make an example early on, keep it consistent for all rule breakers so you don't get this dual standards type scenario and I think it would have been easier to keep an element of control.
 
Scotland going into full lockdown from tomorrow.
First Ministers said if we stayed in existing tiers the NHS would be overwhelmed in 3/4 weeks.

Looks like they are scared of a fairly obvious Christmas mixing boost.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So Scotland going into lockdown - when will England and Wales join - surely it’s time now for a couple of weeks to have the same circuit breaker we had in December
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Perfer it to be much stricter with no unnecessary travel after 1900 hrs to make it easier to identify those breaking the old party rules.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So Scotland going into lockdown - when will England and Wales join - surely it’s time now for a couple of weeks to have the same circuit breaker we had in December
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Wales' Circuit breaker didn't work. Enforcement needs to change, It's madness just repeating the same thing and expecting different results, especially with this new strain.
 
DanFST said:
Wales' Circuit breaker didn't work. Enforcement needs to change, It's madness just repeating the same thing and expecting different results, especially with this new strain.
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Then it would have to be the same as what we had in March - full lockdown , one hour outdoor exercise only , only essential show open - everything else shut down
 
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