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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Lord Tyrion said:
That is what risk assesments are about though. You put procedures into place and if they are deemed reasonable and effective then you crack on. If they are clearly unsafe then there is an issue and you close until things are changed. It's the same with any workplace

My wife runs with a friend who is a teacher in a 1st school up here, aged 4-9. Between Sept and end of term they had 1 positive case. I think you could comfortably say that school was safe to work in, their procedures are effective. We have to be careful not to shut down every school when many are managing very well, have adapted as needed.
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Ask the risk changes, the risk assessment needs to change to ensure everyone’s safety.

At my wife’s school, they had an outbreak at the end of term and unfortunately one of the teachers passed away. Over 50% of the teachers have tested positive along with a number of students. It would appear that something happened to make the environment no longer safe. Up until that point they had not even had a scare.

Their view is that they are only open for key workers/vulnerable children until they are happy with the risk assessment.
 
Old Skier said:
Wonder what your attitude would be if all the nurses, doctors, paramedics, police, armed forces and others providing essential services pulled the same stunt.

Things aren’t pleasant for some groups of workers, the simple choice is give in or crack on.
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Strange how yesterday we couldn’t make the same comment towards politicians.:unsure:
 
SteveW86 said:
Ask the risk changes, the risk assessment needs to change to ensure everyone’s safety.

At my wife’s school, they had an outbreak at the end of term and unfortunately one of the teachers passed away. Over 50% of the teachers have tested positive along with a number of students. It would appear that something happened to make the environment no longer safe. Up until that point they had not even had a scare.

Their view is that they are only open for key workers/vulnerable children until they are happy with the risk assessment.
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I completely agree and that will be down to the head, deputy etc to monitor. Someone may get a pad of paper and a pen out once a year to do a formal risk assesment but in reality managers should be doing them constantly in their heads. In the current circumstances that is especially so.

What does your wife believe changed at her school? What altered?
 
Ethan said:
I note you didn't have a go at the post which kicked this temporary diversion off. Typical.
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Unfortunately there isn't a "dislike" button, otherwise the post you refer to would have got such an endorsement. However, I sort of replied to it , by replying to yours (which showed your reply was to that post).
I could have replied separately but in the interests of brevity I replied to yours.?
 
SocketRocket said:
What you are missing at the moment Tashboy is the part where people have responsibility for their own actions, and I mean everyone not just politicians.
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I agree with you on this. No, really.

Individual responsibility is important, but it is tied up with the messaging. Clear, calm and logical regulations get followed better than ones which seem to be reluctantly applied and delayed, or which are vague or contradictory in places. And the words need to be followed up by deeds. Jacinta Arden (NZ) forced her Health Minister to resign when he breached the rules.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Unfortunately there isn't a "dislike" button, otherwise the post you refer to would have got such an endorsement. However, I sort of replied to it , by replying to yours (which showed your reply was to that post).
I could have replied separately but in the interests of brevity I replied to yours.?
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OK, fair enough.
 
drdel said:
Having started this thread as an arena to discuss the personal impact felt by individuals it clearly being diverted by the usual characters and infected by chest pumping political inferences.

Any chance we can grow up and get back on track?
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And yet most of your recent posts have not met your op.

The issue is not whether a person is being political with a comment or criticising an individual in a position of authority, the issue is the fact 99% of posters have their political bias and read those posts from the point of view they believe the political affiliation the poster holds.

Nobody ever moans when a minister or politician is being praised.

If you want proof of what I’m saying, just take a look at the ”likes” and try and work out the political beliefs of those posting the said ”like”.
 
pauldj42 said:
And yet most of your recent posts have not met your op.

The issue is not whether a person is being political with a comment or criticising an individual in a position of authority, the issue is the fact 99% of posters have their political bias and read those posts from the point of view they believe the political affiliation the poster holds.

Nobody ever moans when a minister or politician is being praised.

If you want proof of what I’m saying, just take a look at the ”likes” and try and work out the political beliefs of those posting the said ”like”.
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Bravo ???
 
Old Skier said:
Which is under the control of the NHS as you well know and has nothing to do with the government. NHS administration has always been the weak link in the chain and not just during the current crises.
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That first statement is somewhere between naive and laughable. It isn't the NHS promising how many vaccines will be ordered, given, when and to whom.
 
pauldj42 said:
And yet most of your recent posts have not met your op.

The issue is not whether a person is being political with a comment or criticising an individual in a position of authority, the issue is the fact 99% of posters have their political bias and read those posts from the point of view they believe the political affiliation the poster holds.

Nobody ever moans when a minister or politician is being praised.

If you want proof of what I’m saying, just take a look at the ”likes” and try and work out the political beliefs of those posting the said ”like”.
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People (by and large) will struggle to admit the people they voted for are making huge mistakes. Those who voted differently won’t feel the same. That’s just basic human behaviour - we tend to double down rather than admit mistakes.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Just seen "the Old BAILEY Live " on the TV news. There seems to be no thought whatsoever about trying to prevent spread of Covid.
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It is certainly a point made a number of times in the profession. We are a profession that it much derided and insulted but we have got on with keeping the justice system running, produced wills for those who, quite rightly, feel that now is the time to ensure that their affairs are in order, kept on with family and child protection cases which have, understandably, increased during lockdown etc with many taking little or no time off to ensure that their client needs are met.
 
SocketRocket said:
What you are missing at the moment Tashboy is the part where people have responsibility for their own actions, and I mean everyone not just politicians.
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I totally get that, but the figures at the moment are the fall out of having a lovely Christmas dinner together. Which has passed the virus onto others onto others etc etc. How long do we persist with a mixed message lockdown. As in some schools are closed in tier 4 other tier fours not. ?
 
Ethan said:
I agree with you on this. No, really.

Individual responsibility is important, but it is tied up with the messaging. Clear, calm and logical regulations get followed better than ones which seem to be reluctantly applied and delayed, or which are vague or contradictory in places. And the words need to be followed up by deeds. Jacinta Arden (NZ) forced her Health Minister to resign when he breached the rules.
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Nail hit firmly on head
 
GB72 said:
It is certainly a point made a number of times in the profession. We are a profession that it much derided and insulted but we have got on with keeping the justice system running, produced wills for those who, quite rightly, feel that now is the time to ensure that their affairs are in order, kept on with family and child protection cases which have, understandably, increased during lockdown etc with many taking little or no time off to ensure that their client needs are met.
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My son is doing jury duty in Newcastle tomorrow. It will be interesting to hear how they manage it all. The courts in Newcastle are pretty new but even so they are not designed for this, where is to be fair?
 
Lord Tyrion said:
My son is doing jury duty in Newcastle tomorrow. It will be interesting to hear how they manage it all. The courts in Newcastle are pretty new but even so they are not designed for this, where is to be fair?
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Been a while since I have done court work but cannot recall many jury boxes that would have the room to socially distance or the ability to install perspex dividers.
 
Ethan said:
That first statement is somewhere between naive and laughable. It isn't the NHS promising how many vaccines will be ordered, given, when and to whom.
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And I thought you were in the know. Remind me who the body are that recommended on the priorities for vaccination as to numbers of vaccines, they have been ordered and payed for, I presume the production is the responsibility of the company, can’t remember seeing a production line in the HOC.

PS feel free to get personal, it shows were your true prejudices lie, like your posts, mine are based on an opinion.
 
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