Yep. There’s been a lot of guesswork going on, some educated much of it less so. I’ve been more than a little guilty of it myself to be fair.
I think, in retrospect, it’s largely been wishful thinking!
Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?
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Yep. There’s been a lot of guesswork going on, some educated much of it less so. I’ve been more than a little guilty of it myself to be fair.
I think, in retrospect, it’s largely been wishful thinking!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Number fatigue...1000 is just a number - but it is 1000 real flesh and blood people...1000 more grieving families. Every day. Get 1,000 people to stand in a single line 2m apart and look at it - it's a long line and you won't see one end of it from the other.
And 72,500 deaths in total. 72,500 is also just a number - but it is equivalent to a town such as Walsall being completely wiped out - every man, woman and child. Get to 80,000 and that's Paisley or Bury or West Bromwich. Yes I know that accumulation of small numbers can given a false impression of the impact of the small numbers over time - but collectively...
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Define travel though.
Virus has been travelling into the UK and as per the recent reports the UK has been exporting it out to many a country. The world is a big place.
I totally agree. I was talking to some of our staff today and even they admitted they have become lax in terms of wearing a mask and gloves whereas even after lockdown 1.0 they were on it all of the time and washing and sanitising their hands more often. People have become lazy and I think certain areas of the population have become immune to the enormous threat and have the "it won't happen to me" mentality.
Tashyboy
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personally if you can manage to do it without a bubble then do it. Me, Missis T and my lad have Covid. We Have not been anywhere since Christmas Day. The grandkids pressies are still under the tree and will be there til the 7th Jan at the earliest.
We are ok and have got off really really light. If we had been idiots and seen me ma and pa, seen the in-law. Spent all day over Christmas dinner with daughter. This Covid could of gone rampant through the ones we love the most. And there would of been casualty’s. Fortunately it has stopped at our front door.
It is a time to make tough decisions, Your last sentence firmly hits the nail on the head.?
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Number fatigue...1000 is just a number - but it is 1000 real flesh and blood people...1000 more grieving families. Every day. Get 1,000 people to stand in a single line 2m apart and look at it - it's a long line and you won't see one end of it from the other.
And 72,500 deaths in total. 72,500 is also just a number - but it is equivalent to a town such as Walsall being completely wiped out - every man, woman and child. Get to 80,000 and that's Paisley or Bury or West Bromwich. Yes I know that accumulation of small numbers can given a false impression of the impact of the small numbers over time - but collectively...
I absolutely, totally agree. But month after month of bad news and little else takes its toll on the human mind - it has to. It’s one of the reasons I have had such a massive issue with much of the press and media coverage of the pandemic.
I’ve dealt with serious trauma for much of the last twenty years through my specialism at work, including far too much family liaison work, and understand how people deal with trauma in different ways. Some of that is being replicated in the way I have tried to process the daily dose of shocking news myself.
I actually think there will be a significant number of people, who have not had the virus, not known anybody directly impacted by it, and yet they will still suffer varying degrees of mental health issues simply because of the daily exposure to appalling and frightening news. Not everyone has the capacity to deal with it on the sort of scale we’ve seen these last ten months.
Tashyboy
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Good post.
Ave said this before, when we were all in the first lockdown we all suffered together. Since we have come out of the lockdown. The whole of the UK has been in different tiers. For me it has sent out mixed messages. The leaders that be have slightly left open doors and they have been roundly kicked off the hinges. EG, Remember when Blackpool was open for business but Lancashire was locked down. Blackpool was rammed and Covid cases soared. The pubs shut at 10pm, so folk go straight to the off licence for some more and the streets are rammed. The lack of strong leadership has worn people down. I have spent more than half a dozen times speaking to me parents telling them that they have to go back into isolation, yet they point the finger at what others are doing but shouldn’t be.
Birmingham police had over 100 phone calls last night re illegal party’s. Anyone of those catching Covid would have a different outcome to if me parents caught it.
That aside, the fatalities and people catching Covid are on a par with the first wave. This wave don’t show any signs of slowing down yet the restrictions are not on a par with the first lockdown. it’s doing my head in.
ScienceBoy
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It is doable, we only used it once when both the wife and I were working. Our poor boy has only seen his grandparents on two occasions since the latest lockdown started, the childcare bubble day and Xmas day. It is hurtung him and them the most, the wife and I can cope with it but it’s not fun nor is it healthy. Better the mental and physical exhaustion making us ill, which it is, we can get over those much more easily than our in laws would with the virus. That isn’t making light of mental illness however, its a nasty thing and will require treatment when the virus has receded somewhat.
Swinglowandslow
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It is dismaying to see an almost give up attitude in some posts here.
Saying that "we've heard it all before and keeping on telling us will have us doing the opposite or ignoring ...etc
So, you advise what?
Say nothing? Say less? People will then start acting responsibly will they?
I know, let's start blaming the authorities, even down to blaming the hospital staff( Jesus!)It's their fault it's spreading - anyone but us public.
A professor who is a Dr in A&E is accused of being hysterical, because he and his staff are working their arses off trying to save lives, and in desperation is spelling out the awful consequences- yet all that some here can do , instead of backing his message, is make excuse after excuse for the bloody idiots out there who will not behave.
Saying that "we've heard it all before and keeping on telling us will have us doing the opposite or ignoring ...etc
So, you advise what?
Say nothing? Say less? People will then start acting responsibly will they?
I know, let's start blaming the authorities, even down to blaming the hospital staff( Jesus!)It's their fault it's spreading - anyone but us public.
A professor who is a Dr in A&E is accused of being hysterical, because he and his staff are working their arses off trying to save lives, and in desperation is spelling out the awful consequences- yet all that some here can do , instead of backing his message, is make excuse after excuse for the bloody idiots out there who will not behave.
Tashyboy
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To try and re enforce my comments about mixed message from the leaders. The recent decision of now closing schools in London
( U turn ) is a classic example. It’s in tier 4 and schools stay shut for X period of time. Yet other tier 4 areas the schools are open. London is struggling with numbers so schools close. Do we have to wait til the whole country is struggling, and then close schools.
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Absolutely! Why is a kid in Primary School in Newcastle any different to a Primary School kid in London?
It’s the mixed messages that are starting to get to people!
Why not lockdown the Schools and the Country until half term and use the military that are going to be used for testing in Schools moved on to a 24hr a day vaccination programme to the most vulnerable. Hit it hard and quickly so we can start moving forward rather than this “on the bus, off the bus”
road2ruin
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I am not making excuses for the idiots however the Dr in question is going completely the other way with his scaremongering IMO. I stopped listening to him as soon as he claimed that one person could infect a hundred thousand and that entire families had been wiped out by COVID. That is not to say that we can let the virus run unchecked and I am certain that families have had tragedies however for me he’s not better than the COVID deniers but just on the other end of the scale.
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
Pre 2020, a family rings up the head to say that they are taking their child out of primary school before the summer holiday’s to get a cheaper break (or whatever) and are told in no uncertain terms that even a week from a child’s education will ensure long term damage to their GCSE’s and chances of success later down the line.
2020 onwards, shut primary schools, a bit of time out of school won’t harm them, they’ll all catch up. This is after 3 months off for some children during lockdown 1 and potentially even more with the inevitable on the horizon.
So which is it? So far there doesn’t seem to be any coherent strategy to ensure that children (I’m looking particularly at the Primary school age as that is where my daughter is) aren’t left behind. There is no particular catching up and nothing to ensure that when they do take exams in a few years they are not penalised for what is happening to them now. Children at that age simply cannot learn at home and I am convinced some will be irreparably damaged due to this. The teacher’s unions seem intent on closing all schools but I haven’t heard a single sensible thing said by them as to how they will guarantee that all children will catch up to the expected level.
2020 onwards, shut primary schools, a bit of time out of school won’t harm them, they’ll all catch up. This is after 3 months off for some children during lockdown 1 and potentially even more with the inevitable on the horizon.
So which is it? So far there doesn’t seem to be any coherent strategy to ensure that children (I’m looking particularly at the Primary school age as that is where my daughter is) aren’t left behind. There is no particular catching up and nothing to ensure that when they do take exams in a few years they are not penalised for what is happening to them now. Children at that age simply cannot learn at home and I am convinced some will be irreparably damaged due to this. The teacher’s unions seem intent on closing all schools but I haven’t heard a single sensible thing said by them as to how they will guarantee that all children will catch up to the expected level.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
This exactly.
If the Press and Government didn't give us the numbers people would be all over them for hiding them from us.
I'm saddened by some of the comments I read here, Old people should be shut away so that the rest can get on with life, what kind of talk is that. How long should they be locked away while others allow the virus to rip away through society, should they forceably be locked up like criminals if they don't want to be.
If anyone is numbed by a thousand people dieing in a day and let it zip over their heads then maybe they should stop and consider what it really means and how many others are mentally affected by that bereavement. My very best friend died a week ago and I'm numbed by the thought of him not being around anymore, I can imagine how bad this must be for.his wife and children, just multiply that a thousand times and then again the next day.
People need to understand how bad the situation is and the stress front line medical staff have to suffer. The people that need to be locked away are the ones who hold a compete disregard for spreading this virus.
I posted this on another thread but it's worth another look.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-55506681
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Surely until we are through this we won’t know how much time is needed to be caught up on.
The Union doesn’t have the power or authority to come up with the plan.
Tashyboy
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I totally understand the rational behind tiers and what you can and cannot do depending on which tier you are in. However a chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link. And time and time again people have proven to be the weakest link in that chain.
The time has come for a full lockdown and the Covid nut needs smashing with a sledgehammer.
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But both London and Newcastle are Tier 4, with different rules. Some Parents are thinking their kid/kids are being put at risk compared to others.
The point was that the virus can not travel on it's own. For it to spread people have to move around with it, thus infecting others. If we all stay at home for two weeks it stops.
This is obviously over simplistic but I remember that being the talk at the beginning. All those months ago....................
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Yes, I agree with that.
The point being debated though was "would take 12 weeks, I believe, to largely eradicate the virus."
What I was trying to highlight was even if that was done (successfully) on a little island, it wouldn't eradicate it from the planet and could/would return.
ColchesterFC
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Whilst that is true, look at the praise that the New Zealand PM is getting for how she's handled it. They've been massively successful in supressing the virus but as soon as they open up their borders again it will return. Yes, we could have locked down hard for 4 weeks in March/April and pretty much eradicated it in the UK, but we would still need to have the borders closed now (no flights, boats or trains in or out of the country) to keep it out. I'm not sure we could have survived if we were still in that sort of total lockdown.