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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Ethan said:
How about add something to the NHS app that shows green after the vaccine, stays red if you haven't had it? To access public transport, shops, flights etc you have to show the green sign on the app.
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I doubt proof of vacc would be needed to get on a bus, the London tube etc, but it will be required for air-travel. Several airlines have already said they need tests, and they will almost certainly extend that to include vacc'd people, and inevitably the rest will follow. Will also probably be required by immigration abroad. The NHS App could be used as a certificate but not everybody has it or wants it, so a credit card sized piece of paper with a QR code would probably be needed too.[/QUOTE]
Air travel will be an obvious one. Public transport is something that may have to think about over time, as will shops, pubs etc. If it means a reduction in social distancing and the ability to mix again all of these businesses will be very keen for this.

How they do it? Probably a mixture of options as you suggest. If it's the difference between staying as you are or getting back to life as normal people will likely accept whatever is necessary.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Been having the what do we do about Christmas bubble discussion this morning. In many ways no three household Christmas bubble would have made things so much easier - because now that we have it we feel a bit of pressure from both children and mil for them to be in our 3 household bubble. And though there will not be any occasion when all four households would be together inside at any one time - that is irrelevant - - we’d be a four household bubble and that ain’t permitted - a quart don’t fit into a pint pot. So we have to decide who misses out. Or we all miss out. Which in some ways would have been a bit less painful.

You just know that very many families are just not going to bother sticking with the 3 household limit. Many will simply consider the 3 limit as the number allowed together at any one time.
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Nothing will ever be seen as fair by whoever 'misses out' so I can only suggest some kind of raffle ticket or prize draw/tombola to decide
 
pauljames87 said:
Sorry Bob but (correct me if I'm wrong) you are in a position where that stance is sustainable? (Retired I think?)

Lot of people still have to go work or take the kids to school...

ATM that's the 2 things I leave house for. Well that and picking up click and collect shopping

I will however go golf from weds as it's outdoors and I need the exercise

No more risky than my other activities as I am far from people and outside where as work I'm in a control room with 9 other people and air con that recirculates air
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Of course, you are correct. I,m in the same position as Bob, and I have the same outlook, and I don't put myself in harms way much.
It is a luxury, I know, that many others don't have.
And it must be very difficult for a lot of people, especially economically .
But I note that Bob made the point,which is not to do anything unnecessary which risks catching the virus, and that is something we all can do, and really ought to do, in order to help the NHS, the Drs and nurses, who are at the sharp end of this.
As it happens, I spoke today to an ex colleagues wife , their daughter is a Sister on Covid ward. Her vital job requires her to shower 5 times a day.
Perhaps we should all think a little more about what some people are doing every day to help us. And how it would help them to do it, if we did less of what we wanted to do if it carried unnecessary risk.
 
Slab said:
Nothing will ever be seen as fair by whoever 'misses out' so I can only suggest some kind of raffle ticket or prize draw/tombola to decide
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Sorted. Our lad has decided he’ll be the one left out. He’s ok with that and we’ve also decided to not include MiL in our bubble to minimise the risk to her (she doesn’t know that yet) and to enable us to Christmas at home and include our daughter in our bubble (she lives 2miles from us) plus also her b/fs parents as household #3. Where there‘s a will...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Sorted. Our lad has decided he’ll be the one left out. He’s ok with that and we’ve also decided to not include MiL in our bubble to minimise the risk to her (she doesn’t know that yet) and to enable us to Christmas at home and include our daughter in our bubble (she lives 2miles from us) plus also her b/fs parents as household #3. Where there‘s a will...
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The one thing that strikes me about Xmas arrangements is that you've got to really trust the other two families that are in your bubble. This isn't having a go at or questioning your bubble at all SiLH but a general comment. It's all well and good being in a bubble with two other families as long as those other two families aren't also meeting with other families outside of that.

Again, I'm not suggesting anyone in your bubble would do this but there will certainly be some that will.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Of course, you are correct. I,m in the same position as Bob, and I have the same outlook, and I don't put myself in harms way much.
It is a luxury, I know, that many others don't have.
And it must be very difficult for a lot of people, especially economically .
But I note that Bob made the point,which is not to do anything unnecessary which risks catching the virus, and that is something we all can do, and really ought to do, in order to help the NHS, the Drs and nurses, who are at the sharp end of this.
As it happens, I spoke today to an ex colleagues wife , their daughter is a Sister on Covid ward. Her vital job requires her to shower 5 times a day.
Perhaps we should all think a little more about what some people are doing every day to help us. And how it would help them to do it, if we did less of what we wanted to do if it carried unnecessary risk.
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Everything we do carries an risk necessary or otherwise. Rather than clapping for them, or thinking about them, why don’t we fund them properly and pay them a decent wage? Maybe we should have thought about them more during the last 10 years of austerity?
 
ColchesterFC said:
The one thing that strikes me about Xmas arrangements is that you've got to really trust the other two families that are in your bubble. This isn't having a go at or questioning your bubble at all SiLH but a general comment. It's all well and good being in a bubble with two other families as long as those other two families aren't also meeting with other families outside of that.

Again, I'm not suggesting anyone in your bubble would do this but there will certainly be some that will.
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Absolutely spot on. My 83 year old mum lives on her own and is “bubbled” with us. Time and time and time again these last few months she has shown either a lack of understanding or a disregard for guidance.

I’ve just come off the phone to her and asked what her plans are for tomorrow. A quiet day in store she said. Apart from a friend coming for coffee in the morning and another one popping over in the afternoon. She thinks that’s fine if they socially distance. I’m sick of trying to get the message through to her.

Part of me gets it. She’s 83 and doesn’t want to live her last years in total isolation. But equally I’m in no rush to place my own family in harm’s way by visiting someone who doesn’t follow guidance. Consequently, despite being “bubbled” with her, I am now keeping her at arm’s length.
 
Fish said:
Supposed to be playing Nefyn next Sunday, but this is worrying, I didn't know or realise there was an embargo about traveling into Wales?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/welsh...gr7E1yZMTi4jZXUTSyB0VOLAw8Oy2vsUDz5c6fMTqRy4c
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As we are currently in a lockdown in England then surely people can only travel due to essential journeys - hence why people who have memberships at Welsh Clubs shouldnt really be travelling there

And Wales are prob going into another lockdown of sorts

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ive-wales-lockdown-national-covid-4743085.amp
 
Leftitshort said:
Everything we do carries an risk necessary or otherwise. Rather than clapping for them, or thinking about them, why don’t we fund them properly and pay them a decent wage?
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I can only speak from a nursing perspective but if you talk to anyone in the NHS involved in direct patient care, it is the one thing that still wrangles and the small rises we've had are still behind inflation and feel paltry. Of course you can make a direct argument for the police and fire service, ambulance service etc as well. I doubt after all this anything will change though
 
Liverpoolphil said:
As we are currently in a lockdown in England then surely people can only travel due to essential journeys - hence why people who have memberships at Welsh Clubs shouldnt really be travelling there

And Wales are prob going into another lockdown of sorts

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ive-wales-lockdown-national-covid-4743085.amp
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A quote from a message received from my away club, Woodhall Spa immediately after the tiers were announced.

As previously, there are no restrictions with regard to travelling for outdoor sport from any tier, so all our member categories are welcome, regardless of their home address.

So I can travel to any arranged sporting event, but I wasn't aware that Wales was different, I thought it was a UK legislation!

I wonder how many people that live close to borders are travelling across them into Wales & Scotland to play?
 
Fish said:
A quote from a message received from my away club, Woodhall Spa immediately after the tiers were announced.

As previously, there are no restrictions with regard to travelling for outdoor sport from any tier, so all our member categories are welcome, regardless of their home address.

So I can travel to any arranged sporting event, but I wasn't aware that Wales was different, I thought it was a UK legislation!

I wonder how many people that live close to borders are travelling across them into Wales & Scotland to play?
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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-wales-stop-110-drivers-19366151
 
Fish said:
A quote from a message received from my away club, Woodhall Spa immediately after the tiers were announced.

As previously, there are no restrictions with regard to travelling for outdoor sport from any tier, so all our member categories are welcome, regardless of their home address.

So I can travel to any arranged sporting event, but I wasn't aware that Wales was different, I thought it was a UK legislation!

I wonder how many people that live close to borders are travelling across them into Wales & Scotland to play?
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The initial guidelines going between tiers was stating that travel to a different tier was only for essential reasons but this is for going to Tier 3

“Avoid travel to or overnight stays in tier 3 areas other than where necessary,” read the guidelines.

And going from Tier 3

“Avoid travelling to other parts of the UK, including for overnight stays other than where necessary,” reads the advice.
 
Leftitshort said:
Everything we do carries an risk necessary or otherwise. Rather than clapping for them, or thinking about them, why don’t we fund them properly and pay them a decent wage? Maybe we should have thought about them more during the last 10 years of austerity?
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I'm not suggesting NHS staff shouldn't be well paid but are they poorly paid? I believe there was a new pay system brought in for Nurses a few years ago that gave some fair increases.

What do you suggest the overall package for an average Nurse should be?
 
SocketRocket said:
I'm not suggesting NHS staff shouldn't be well paid but are they poorly paid? I believe there was a new pay system brought in for Nurses a few years ago that gave some fair increases.

What do you suggest the overall package for an average Nurse should be?
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Depends if you put a premium on revenue generation or life saving. £24k for being at the sharp end of the pandemic sounds like a bargain if it’s the former
 
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