Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Blue in Munich]

Not seen this before;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ort-enlists-sniffer-dogs-to-test-for-covid-19

I've heard of them being used to detect cancer in humans, but not this.

 

[Ethan]

Hugely surprised by that. How can the message not be getting through? Compliance where I live and work has been very strong in terms of mask wearing. It is such a clear thing I would have expected social peer pressure to come into play.

Round my area, compliance is also very good. In my local Tesco, people without a mask are conspicuous compared to the vast majority who wear one. Likewise in shops in Reading.

Not seen this before;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ort-enlists-sniffer-dogs-to-test-for-covid-19

I've heard of them being used to detect cancer in humans, but not this.

Have you never heard of a CAT scan? This is just an alternative version of that.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Not seen this before;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ort-enlists-sniffer-dogs-to-test-for-covid-19

I've heard of them being used to detect cancer in humans, but not this.

My daughter works part time at a kennels. The woman who runs it breeds labs, Crufts standard. She was chatting to a friend last week, a fellow breeder of dogs and she has some of hers in with Durham University right now doing this. They are testing how accurate the dogs can be. Pretty accurate seems to be the answer so far. Interesting stuff.

 

[Ethan]

This article cheered me up in the current virus growth days, hope this kind of stuff is true in our countries bigger picture as well :-

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.21.20198796v1

Interesting article to read tho.

Interesting, but I would be slightly wary of extrapolating the conclusions too much. They said that the study was carried out in healthy workers. That is a population which has fewer comorbidities and is younger than the general population. They didn't say whether the workers had been working from home or furloughed, Japanese working culture being as it is, one would assume not, therefore there is probably quite a bit of transmission between subjects in the study and we may be seeing a more concentrated seropositivity than you would expect. Losing IgM antibody is perfectly normal and to be expected, and it is not even clear whether losing IgG is an issue, maybe the T-cells take over then.

The general conclusion that serial restringing for seropositivity is useful is absolutely fair, though, and we should do more of that here, but separate the results from the general mix of "tests".

 

[ColchesterFC]

Not seen this before;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ort-enlists-sniffer-dogs-to-test-for-covid-19

I've heard of them being used to detect cancer in humans, but not this.

Have you never heard of a CAT scan? This is just an alternative version of that.

Surely it's a Lab test! ?

 

[Ethan]

Surely it's a Lab test! ?

Dogs can be used to detect psychiatric symptoms. They can easily tell when someone is barking.

 

[Billysboots]

Dogs can be used to detect psychiatric symptoms. They can easily tell when someone is barking.

The country’s gone to the dogs.

 

[Hobbit]

Friend’s wife went back to the U.K. a few weeks ago. Tomorrow she will visit one of her granddaughters to say goodbye, who is Covid-19 positive, and fly back the day after. Then come out for the bowling club monthly dinner Two days later...

Really? Is that responsible?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Mmm, I think you're onto something with the above and your previous post. However, if an individual's experience is comprehensive across a wide spectrum of establishments surely their experiences are indeed facts. If they only went into one bar between 6pm and 7pm their experiences would be very limited and very anecdotal. But, as in BiM's 40+ years as a Police officer, I'd say his experiences are very valid, and may in fact add weight to a specific risk factor. You and I might go into one type of bar, and a 20 year old go in another type of bar. A Police officer would go in both and everything in between.

My only other questions with the risk factors you were simplifying is what weighting you might apply to the respective age groups. Obviously take out the 20 year old chronic asthmatic and the 60 year old athlete, as they are outliers. And it would also appear to be a moving feast insomuch as the medics are saving an awful lot more people than they were in March/April.

However, in terms of creating a general set of rules, rather than 10 different sets based on age groups etc, maybe your version might form a basis for creating a one set fits all that the govt might have adopted.

Indeed contexts will have different risk ratings, and so for instance there might be a whole bunch that are double the risk of others. You could normalise social contexts around - let’s say - two households comprising six individuals And make that Risk Index 1. The data will tell as risk ratings for other contexts. There may be a bundle of 2s. And indeed there may be much higher RI contexts reflecting the social behaviour and interactions of younger folk. So a nightclub for under 40s only might have a RI of 9 ?

If the risk threshold is 10 the Government could choose to have the baselines RI 1 plus 4x2s plus one further RI 1. And thsee could be changed according to the prevailing socio-economic and social circumstances.. But comparison questions of the sort ‘why X but not Y’ become that much easier to answer - indeed they should largely become redundant other than as a means of letting the government know that we might prefer to have X replaced by Y. Just random thinks and I know it is way too simplistic.

 

[4LEX]

Really interesting reading the views from Ethan on this thread

From my personal experiences, the only group I've seen ignoring all social distancing rules are those aged 16-21. Evening during lockdown when I was out running I witnessed dozens and dozens hanging around in groups by rivers, parks etc. The lack of Policing gave them carte blanche to do as they pleased.

Since the pubs have been opened I've witnessed pub gardens become almost like an Ibiza Pool party, not just on the weekends but during the week. We have to accept that age bracket doesn't give a toss about anyone but themselves. I'm not digging them out as at that age I'd probably be doing the same, you have to blame to the pubs for putting profit before anything else and the authorties for allowing it to go on.

Having uni's back was a bad idea. On average it's around 2 hours a day, it could've easily been done over Zoom for a year. The fact they lose a year of the uni life is just unfortunate. Half term and Christmas are a ticking timebomb.

The lockdown wasn't strong enough and the policing of the follow up rules have been woeful. I've been to Dubai and they tape your hotel door up untill you've got a negative result. Here anyone can go to Europe, come back and no one checks if you're staying in. Laughable.

 

[Beezerk]

Daughter had to get a test this morning, she moved into her student digs at the weekend, my daughter and her fellow flatmates have had a few nights in another apartment since then, just mingling and getting along...I'm told
One of the lads in the other apartment tested positive the other day so they've all had to get themselves tested.
Her birthday this weekend as well

 

[KenL]

Hopefully third time lucky.

If that fails the Scots one seems to be working pretty well after two/three weeks.
I am sure a fee could be negotiated.

Thats a political post and rubbish.
No evidence the one in Scotland (borrowed from somewhere else) is working to an extent that stopped us being put into severe restrictions.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

One of the guys at the Club meant to play Dalmahoy today as one of 24 guys on a society trip.
Hotel contacted them yesterday and cancelled their booking in light of recent Covid measures.

Not a happy bloke.

 

[SocketRocket]

The country’s gone to the dogs.

May need to call in the Retrievers.

 

[clubchamp98]

My daughter has a bubble of 45 kids in year 1 plus other teachers.
But she can’t see her boyfriend indoors.
Seems mad that schools are considered safe but our house isn’t?

 

[KenL]

One of the guys at the Club meant to play Dalmahoy today as one of 24 guys on a society trip.
Hotel contacted them yesterday and cancelled their booking in light of recent Covid measures.

Not a happy bloke.

No wonder. Looks like I have no lost 3rd holiday. Meant to be heading for a few days to East Neuk of Fife next month with another couple. ScotGov now says not allowed.

 

[SocketRocket]

My daughter has a bubble of 45 kids in year 1 plus other teachers.
But she can’t see her boyfriend indoors.
Seems mad that schools are considered safe but our house isn’t?

Do we shut down all schools and anywhere else people can meet to make it all equal, or should we allow as many as we want into our homes.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Friend’s wife went back to the U.K. a few weeks ago. Tomorrow she will visit one of her granddaughters to say goodbye, who is Covid-19 positive, and fly back the day after. Then come out for the bowling club monthly dinner Two days later...

Really? Is that responsible?

Should someone at the club not be having a word with her and asking her not to come? No is the answer to your question.

 

[Hacker Khan]

My daughter has a bubble of 45 kids in year 1 plus other teachers.
But she can’t see her boyfriend indoors.
Seems mad that schools are considered safe but our house isn’t?

The government have said that schools, specifically primary schools, will be one of the last things to close if we go further into lockdown. So they are not saying they are safe, they are saying with the precautions that all schools have made and the very low risk to school children, they feel they can stay open. The age of the kids in school is a big factor in the decision, whereas the government have given no age differentiation for meeting in houses and have put in blanket restrictions. Whether there should be more age differentiation in the levels of measures is up for debate.

 

[Ethan]

Friend’s wife went back to the U.K. a few weeks ago. Tomorrow she will visit one of her granddaughters to say goodbye, who is Covid-19 positive, and fly back the day after. Then come out for the bowling club monthly dinner Two days later...

Really? Is that responsible?

That is highly irresponsible and if her airline knew, they would deny her boarding and the bowling club, no doubt with a few mature citizens, should do the same. Someone needs to tell her to say goodbye to granddaughter through glass.