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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Kaz said:
Thankfully the government isn't that sociopathic. We'd all have more freedom if we all stuck to the rules but sadly that seems too much for some.
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The exchange for the modicum of freedom we have been given is deaths.
You might not like it or blissfully ignorant of it but not staying at home seems too difficult for some (and bad for the economy) and has lead to extra deaths.

A small sacrifice to pay so we can play golf, get a half price meal, get a pint or nice new frilly frock.

So what’s wrong with quarantining the old and vulnerable really?
 
Jamesbrown said:
The exchange for the modicum of freedom we have been given is deaths.
You might not like it or blissfully ignorant of it but not staying at home seems too difficult for some (and bad for the economy) and has lead to extra deaths.

A small sacrifice to pay so we can play golf, get a half price meal, get a pint or nice new frilly frock.

So what’s wrong with quarantining the old and vulnerable really?
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Hmm, do you have any nice frilly frocks, go on, put up a pic ??
 
Nipper’s results came back as negative.. money well spent. While we always knew it as some sort of September bug brought back from the Petri dish of a school, we still had to go thru it. The whole testing fiasco did not help.

The only downside is that I don’t think this is the only time we/he will be tested this winter
 
Ethan said:
That is a big ask for an app. The app itself doesn't kill the virus, you know. If it slows the rise and results in a lower peak, that will be a success.
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Yes. I should have said that if it helps to stop the daily number of new cases increasing it will be a success.
 
Mudball said:
Nipper’s results came back as negative.. money well spent. While we always knew it as some sort of September bug brought back from the Petri dish of a school, we still had to go thru it. The whole testing fiasco did not help.

The only downside is that I don’t think this is the only time we/he will be tested this winter
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Only thing I don't agree with here is your out of pocket. Should be able to claim it back in this case
What happens next week. Next month.. 2 months time when it happens again and again you have to pay out ..

Could end up constantly out of pocket in unneeded tests just because you can't get a proper one
 
pauljames87 said:
Only thing I don't agree with here is your out of pocket. Should be able to claim it back in this case
What happens next week. Next month.. 2 months time when it happens again and again you have to pay out ..

Could end up constantly out of pocket in unneeded tests just because you can't get a proper one
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I agree, it is not the long term solution. I need to check with insurance if I can claim it back... I doubt it.

Till someone fixes this omnishambles of testing and T&T, it’s not going away. I don’t know who can or will or have the ability to do it. I think we will all meander along till the vaccine is available
 
Mudball said:
I agree, it is not the long term solution. I need to check with insurance if I can claim it back... I doubt it.

Till someone fixes this omnishambles of testing and T&T, it’s not going away. I don’t know who can or will or have the ability to do it. I think we will all meander along till the vaccine is available
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It's maybe not a mess, it is maybe just not possible to keep up with the demand.
 
KenL said:
It's maybe not a mess, it is maybe just not possible to keep up with the demand.
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Its both, was a mess before, a bigger mess now. Dido claimed the other day that there was 3 times the demand anticipated. That seems highly improbable unless their estimates of demand were utterly and recklessly low. Demand has been predicted to rise around school return for months.
 
KenL said:
It's maybe not a mess, it is maybe just not possible to keep up with the demand.
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Partially true.. yes it can’t keep up with the demand.

Also a case when they did not model the demand levels correctly. We had all of summer to prepare. The medical fraternity has been saying it is a case to ‘when’ rather than ‘if’, but that seems to have not made it to the demand models.

When things are done in silos these can fall between the cracks. Create the models- ensure testing capacity - ensure logistics - work with T&T - ensure PPE - ensure hospital/nightingale capacity - ventilator capacity - etc etc

From a Guardian article, testing and capacity is doing well within NHS (Pillar 1), the challenge is within Pillar 2 that is covers community testing
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Out of interest, have you loaded the app?
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Think you'll just end up in political territory here and the thread will get closed. Frustrating yes but thems the rules!

I would focus commentary more on how covid affects you directly, if that includes being directly affected by the app, fair enough.
 
Mudball said:
Partially true.. yes it can’t keep up with the demand.

Also a case when they did not model the demand levels correctly. We had all of summer to prepare. The medical fraternity has been saying it is a case to ‘when’ rather than ‘if’, but that seems to have not made it to the demand models.

When things are done in silos these can fall between the cracks. Create the models- ensure testing capacity - ensure logistics - work with T&T - ensure PPE - ensure hospital/nightingale capacity - ventilator capacity - etc etc

From a Guardian article, testing and capacity is doing well within NHS (Pillar 1), the challenge is within Pillar 2 that is covers community testing
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The numbers also still include antibody tests and antigen tests together, which are assessing two very different things. The number of unique patients tested for antigen remains unclear but is considered to be in the region of 80,000. The rest are duplicate counting, antibody tests and research samples which are not used for test and trace purposes.

How it all affects me its that if I developed Covidy symptoms, I would get tested if one was available relatively near, but I am not driving with my temperature, continuous cough and/or anosmia too far for it.
 
IainP said:
With usual caveats on reporting, can see the impact in the Americas. In the early days Europe totally dominated this list.


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These data need to be interpreted carefully. San Marino is effectively one medium sized urban area, as is Andorra, and in that sort of place it either gets a bad dose or not, tends to be an all or nothing thing. The USA, in contrast, has large areas of open space and is really set of different zones which can be affected badly or not to badly depending on their good fortune and local response. Just because New York or Florida gets a lot of cases, doesn't mean rural Montana or Wyoming over a thousand miles away necessarily will.
 
Still recovering from whatever virus my son brought back from school. As he tested negative, I m assuming I am negative (causation does not mean correlation)

Equally I signed up for a winter flu jab as my company is offering it to all employees. My theory is that it might eliminate one side of the fairway.

My open question is. If my theory is correct, then why don’t we roll out winter flu vaccine nationwide?
1) That will keep some people away from testing centres
2) it takes care of winter bug
3) it is a dry run for how to a nationwide vaccine program - which we will have to do at some point in 2021/22
 
Mudball said:
Still recovering from whatever virus my son brought back from school. As he tested negative, I m assuming I am negative (causation does not mean correlation)

Equally I signed up for a winter flu jab as my company is offering it to all employees. My theory is that it might eliminate one side of the fairway.

My open question is. If my theory is correct, then why don’t we roll out winter flu vaccine nationwide?
1) That will keep some people away from testing centres
2) it takes care of winter bug
3) it is a dry run for how to a nationwide vaccine program - which we will have to do at some point in 2021/22
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There’s no guarantee the winter flu vaccine will work this year, Ethan can probably explain it properly, but we were told by our GP a few years back the Winter Vaccine is the “best educated guess” at what the winter bug will be and sometimes they “guess” wrong.

We’ve had it for the last 5-10yrs and sometimes the reaction to the jab has been worse than any flu we’ve been infected with, a couple of times it has seemed pointless as we’ve still gone down with the flu over the winter, thankfully never anything serious though.
 
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