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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Why is it that elderly people that contract the virus are in more danger than younger folks ?. Could it have anything to do with them all being automatically inoculated against other flu viruses year after year :eek::confused::(:mad::unsure::poop:
 
williamalex1 said:
Why is it that elderly people that contract the virus are in more danger than younger folks ?. Could it have anything to do with them all being automatically inoculated against other flu viruses year after year :eek::confused::(:mad::unsure::poop:
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No, its because they are old and their immune system is worn out.
 
Blue in Munich said:
If half of all cases are asymptomatic, how do you know if you've been within close contact of a case? If half of the cases don't know they are cases then we've got no chance.

And if that many cases don't know they have been cases, how far has this actually spread...?
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The way it should work is someone tests positive, they ID all close contacts, all of those are tested, and those in that group who test positive whether symptomatic or not have further contact tracing, and so on until no further cases are identified.

Many cases don't know they are asymptomatic spreaders, and most of these are young, so have been unwittingly spreading it around.
 
pauldj42 said:
Well done silh.
Might as well lock the thread now fragger, could save you some work later. ;)
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I simply stated a fact - advice to the public coming from a minister. I guess I can mention that I hear that it is believed Hancock and/or a johnson are considering imposing a 2 week ‘national lockdown’ to happen next month in an attempt to stamp on transmission. Bit scary if they think it’s heading to levels requiring such a measure. If that included no travel of any distance in the UK that likely to knacker a holiday in the Lakes I have 3rd week October.
 
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Ethan said:
The way it should work is someone tests positive, they ID all close contacts, all of those are tested, and those in that group who test positive whether symptomatic or not have further contact tracing, and so on until no further cases are identified.
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But that doesn't work if you get tested on day 5 after being in contact, but only incubate until say day 10. Hence the need for a 14 day isolation as a test on its own isn't a reliable indicator if you aren't showing symptoms.
 
williamalex1 said:
Why is it that elderly people that contract the virus are in more danger than younger folks ?. Could it have anything to do with them all being automatically inoculated against other flu viruses year after year :eek::confused::(:mad::unsure::poop:
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No, more likely that their responses to various aspects of infection are less resistant than younger people, less lung, liver, kidney, heart reserve. This is worse with specific health problems like diabetes, hypertension, kidney failure etc. Much easier to tip into failure.
SaintHacker said:
But that doesn't work if you get tested on day 5 after being in contact, but only incubate until say day 10. Hence the need for a 14 day isolation as a test on its own isn't a reliable indicator if you aren't showing symptoms.
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The way that the oh so wonderful, impossible to criticise it for any reason Test and Trace works, by the time the index case is tested, contacts identified and traced, contacts actually get an appointment, travel from Watford up to Inverness to have the test, it'll be Day 7 at least, and the vast majority of those who test positive will do so by then.

So what is your idea to chase down the asymptomatics, then?
 
pauldj42 said:
Every comment, every complaint about test and trace, every post mentioning kids with symptons or being off school etc has a political angle to it, attempting to put it on one or two posters or a particular post is ridiculous.
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No. not ridiculous at all. Everyone was keeping to the ruling until Hacker made his post 8765. Even then, there was no riposte until Old Skier asked re the politics coming in.
Then it got blatant.
IMO, best if Phil locks this thread now.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
No. not ridiculous at all. Everyone was keeping to the ruling until Hacker made his post 8765. Even then, there was no riposte until Old Skier asked re the politics coming in.
Then it got blatant.
IMO, best if Phil locks this thread now.
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People can put it on me if they like, and I don't care if people think that I have strong political views on this. I do. I wanted this Govt to get this right because many of our lives and those of family and friends depend on it, not to mention jobs and economic futures.

But I have explained why my background in public health means that I think the system should be different, what should have happened instead, and why all these messages were being given by respected scientists for some time.

This isn't a theoretical scientific debate. There is already a large pile of bodies and it is going to get bigger if something doesn't change pronto.
 
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Ethan said:
No, more likely that their responses to various aspects of infection are less resistant than younger people, less lung, liver, kidney, heart reserve. This is worse with specific health problems like diabetes, hypertension, kidney failure etc. Much easier to tip into failure.


The way that the oh so wonderful, impossible to criticise it for any reason Test and Trace works, by the time the index case is tested, contacts identified and traced, contacts actually get an appointment, travel from Watford up to Inverness to have the test, it'll be Day 7 at least, and the vast majority of those who test positive will do so by then.

So what is your idea to chase down the asymptomatics, then?
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Not sure why you're getting snarky with me, it appears we are basically agreeing? No matter which system you use you can't stop asymptomatics spreading it.
IMO without a vaccine we can't stop this thing, only slow it.
I'll leave it there.
 
Ethan said:
People can put it on me if they like, and I don't care if people think that I have strong political views on this. I do. I wanted this Govt to get this right because many of outlives and those of family and friends depend on it, not to mention jobs and economic futures.

But I have explained why my background in public health means that I think the system should be different, what should have happened instead, and why all these messages were being given by respected scientists for some time.

This isn't a theoretical scientific debate. There is already a large pile of bodies and it is going to get bigger if something doesn't change pronto.
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You can’t help yourself can you? :ROFLMAO:

But yes, I agree they’ve messed up big time. Shouldn’t of gone on as long as this and they seem hell bent on dragging it out longer.
 
Ethan said:
The way it should work is someone tests positive, they ID all close contacts, all of those are tested, and those in that group who test positive whether symptomatic or not have further contact tracing, and so on until no further cases are identified.

Many cases don't know they are asymptomatic spreaders, and most of these are young, so have been unwittingly spreading it around.
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Not just the young; Mrs BiM and I have rigidly followed the instructions. Mrs BiM had a blood test for an upcoming op and has the antibodies so has had it, it’s not unreasonable given our circumstances to assume I’ve had it. Both asymptomatic. So we have potentially spreading it despite following the guidelines which reduce, not prevent transmission as I understand it.

We simply haven’t got a clue how far this virus has spread is my belief, based on the anecdotal evidence I’m aware of and personal circumstances.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
No. not ridiculous at all. Everyone was keeping to the ruling until Hacker made his post 8765. Even then, there was no riposte until Old Skier asked re the politics coming in.
Then it got blatant.
IMO, best if Phil locks this thread now.
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I suggest you go back and read the posts prior to 8765 as there are plenty which could be read with a political slant, and, imo, that’s the issue, as previously said, “you should be able to discuss politics without it being political” you seem to have decided otherwise based on the poster.
 
SaintHacker said:
Not sure why you're getting snarky with me, it appears we are basically agreeing? No matter which system you use you can't stop asymptomatics spreading it.
IMO without a vaccine we can't stop this thing, only slow it.
I'll leave it there.
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Snarky? Not at all. You made a comment about repeated flu vaccine that I disagree with and commented on, fairly politely in my opinion. No need to take the hump.
 
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