Are those younger people contracting it and becoming badly ill, needing hospital treatment, or are they simply contracting it and then getting over it?
Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?
- Thread starter drdel
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It’s strange how the emphasis seems to shift from concern over death rates, to infection rates, and then back again.
My question would now tend to be the same. I think the U.K. figures released today are a bit misleading, as a huge proportion of the deaths are historic. It’s really important now to know the number of deaths occurring in the last 24 hours, as there is mounting speculation that, despite the number of infections plateauing, the number of hospitalisations, and those becoming seriously ill, continue to fall.
As the pandemic continues, the context to the figures becomes more important by the day.
SocketRocket
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A local vegetable farm has reported 73 of its workers have been tested positive out of a seasonal workforce of 200. The workers are living in caravans on site.
Most were asymptomatic apparently, didn't realise they had it.
SocketRocket
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Might give the local Veg a miss.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Mrs was down in Brighton for a few days last week and her experience that a lot of folks are acting back to normal. Either don’t care or maybe just finding the new rules just a bit too optional and variable in an IF THEN ELSE IF THEN ELSE...sort of way to get head around. Daughter reports things back almost to normal in Clapham and Brixton visiting friends this weekend. Though it was to see many groups in our local park sitting around and most looking to adhere to the rules.
***Don't mess with Spanish Police***
It kicked off Saturday evening. The first lot of British tourists arrived late last week. On Saturday evening a number of them went out without masks. Stopped by the Police and told to go back to the hotel and get their masks. An argument ensued, which is always a bad idea with Spanish Police. More Police arrived, numerous fines were handed out.
This morning, at the same hotel, 6 more Brits were stopped and fined and they left to go to the beach.
On a wider note; more new infections in Andalucia then any other province in Spain, and more in our region than any other region of Andalucia. Unconfirmed reports of 45 new infections in a local town, more than treble what they've had for the last 5 months. The average age has also dropped significantly.
It kicked off Saturday evening. The first lot of British tourists arrived late last week. On Saturday evening a number of them went out without masks. Stopped by the Police and told to go back to the hotel and get their masks. An argument ensued, which is always a bad idea with Spanish Police. More Police arrived, numerous fines were handed out.
This morning, at the same hotel, 6 more Brits were stopped and fined and they left to go to the beach.
On a wider note; more new infections in Andalucia then any other province in Spain, and more in our region than any other region of Andalucia. Unconfirmed reports of 45 new infections in a local town, more than treble what they've had for the last 5 months. The average age has also dropped significantly.
backwoodsman
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Brian; out of interest, which town?
Vera.
Previously, they had 14 case. There's 4 more confirmed in the last week, and Spectrum Radio have had it on good authority, but are trying to get corroboration, that there has been 45 in the last 24 hours.
Worryingly, it appears to be the younger generation getting it. Beach parties etc seem to be the breeding grounds. Last week in Valencia there was a beach party, from which 63, 23 to 26 year olds, got it.
GB72
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Seems to be a pattern. Figures I saw the other week (think it was from the US) showed that the average age of a new infection had dropped by 15 years over the previous couple of weeks. The younger generation have shown relatively little respect for it throughout, seeing it as something that does not effect them, and now that they can meet up, the risks that they are taking have increased exponentially.
During lockdown here in Spain the average of both male and female infecteds was over 60. Its now 55 for men and 47 for women. Bearing in mind the number of infected back then it takes huge numbers to pull the averages down.
GB72
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Think it has already dropped from similar levels to an average of 33 in the States.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Which chimes with what Mrs Hogie saw in Brighton, and daughter saw up in Clapham and Brixton, the younger crowd basically getting on with it as if normal.
Slab
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I’ve got disposable ones, I’ve got washable ones, I’ve got thin ones, I’ve got thick ones, I’ve got ‘surgical & certified’ ones, I’ve got sports branded ones, I’ve got plain fabric ones I even have colour coordinated ones for golf.
I’ve been (mandated) to wear them anywhere in public for 4 months now and I’m (trying to) pick one up when I leave the house as automatically as I’d pick up wallet, keys etc.
I might’ve missed it but I haven’t seen any science that says I’m more likely to contract the virus when wearing one (just the opposite in fact) If it hadn’t been mandatory I’d be wearing them anyway so its not even a Gov thing. But we’re four months on from the blow-up, so whats the deal with the continued aversion from many in the UK towards masks?
I’ve been (mandated) to wear them anywhere in public for 4 months now and I’m (trying to) pick one up when I leave the house as automatically as I’d pick up wallet, keys etc.
I might’ve missed it but I haven’t seen any science that says I’m more likely to contract the virus when wearing one (just the opposite in fact) If it hadn’t been mandatory I’d be wearing them anyway so its not even a Gov thing. But we’re four months on from the blow-up, so whats the deal with the continued aversion from many in the UK towards masks?
drdel
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As my old Dad said many decades ago " If you can take precautions, do so - if you can't then be prepared to face the consequences". I don't think he was talking 'flu'
The scientists at the briefings consistently stated that masks did little to prevent the spread of the virus. That was said so clearly and frequently that it became ingrained. I don't think they have particularly changed their minds on this but the mood has gone towards masks anyway.
I have now started wearing one in shops, held off until Friday. Hated it but will continue to wear it. I don't find it uncomfortable, it is partly psychological that it reminds me that this virus is dominating life right now and it also removes a key sign of human expression. I let someone go past me in the supermarket on Friday, at a junction part, I smiled. I have no idea if she knew and that made me sad. Smiling, human expression, it is part of life (unless you live in a major city and you avoid eye contact
) Big deal you might say but that may be why there is an aversion, imo. We like to see faces, masks dehumanise.
The scientists at the briefings consistently stated that masks did little to prevent the spread of the virus. That was said so clearly and frequently that it became ingrained. I don't think they have particularly changed their minds on this but the mood has gone towards masks anyway.
I have now started wearing one in shops, held off until Friday. Hated it but will continue to wear it. I don't find it uncomfortable, it is partly psychological that it reminds me that this virus is dominating life right now and it also removes a key sign of human expression. I let someone go past me in the supermarket on Friday, at a junction part, I smiled. I have no idea if she knew and that made me sad. Smiling, human expression, it is part of life (unless you live in a major city and you avoid eye contact
And whilst the scientists were saying this, the NHS was desperately sourcing masks. And the NHS pandemic guidance was masks... but the scientists, or should I say the govt, didn't what little stock there was bought up by Joe Public??
Slab
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The scientists at the briefings consistently stated that masks did little to prevent the spread of the virus. That was said so clearly and frequently that it became ingrained. I don't think they have particularly changed their minds on this but the mood has gone towards masks anyway.
I have now started wearing one in shops, held off until Friday. Hated it but will continue to wear it. I don't find it uncomfortable, it is partly psychological that it reminds me that this virus is dominating life right now and it also removes a key sign of human expression. I let someone go past me in the supermarket on Friday, at a junction part, I smiled. I have no idea if she knew and that made me sad. Smiling, human expression, it is part of life (unless you live in a major city and you avoid eye contact
Yeah the smiling thing is taking time to get used to, and folks can tell by your eyes as you say (although half the time I have sunglasses on so that doesn't help) Also find you have to deliberately use your voice to convey how you're feeling when you greet someone (can't get away with a grumbled 'good morning' anymore)
But all that's a small price if I can cut the risk of giving/receiving. Even washing hands and using hand gel as I did pre-covid I'd typically pick up a common cold once a year so that tells me that carrying on with no other notable changes means at some point I'd contract covid and I'd just rather not
The freaky thing is that it has been eradicated here right now so everyone knows there is zero danger but even when i went to the (outdoor) bar yesterday the waiter had one on and so did I (I could take mine off when not being served) same at the supermarket earlier in the day (wouldn't be allowed in otherwise)
SwingsitlikeHogan
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I am thinking that there has for a couple of decades been a scornful, scoffing and somewhat sneering attitude by we Brits when confronted by Chinese and Japanese in the UK wearing masks. How silly they were; how silly they looked; such over-reaction - and to what...? It was an attitude that we had learned - it was an attitude that was embedded.
So for those of us who so scoffed (mea cupla) we have to forget and get over our sneering and scoffing at the wearing of a mask- else we have to sneer and scoff at ourselves. We have to understand and accept that we simply did not understand...that our British sense of superiority in all matters trivial and significant was in this instance quite misplaced. And that is difficult for many to do - on an individual and very personal basis,
Quite possibly, although the basic masks that we would be buying are very basic, not up to covid levels of protection. The reasoning behind us all not wearing masks sounded plausible, and as I mentioned the chief scientists and medical advisors have not wavered from it. May be they just don't think they make much difference for people who are out and about?