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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Italian outcast said:
They have started doing serological tests here in the Bergamo region
In one of the worst affected valleys north of Bergamo - where my SIL & BIL live (both now negative after being +ve) 62% of people tested have evidence of having had covid (i.e., antibodies)
Food for thought
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That's a massive percentage, by far the largest % result, that I have read about. In some ways hopefully good news or the area or maybe light at the end of the tunnel as such.

Do you happen to have a link for the results or write up, would like to read about it(numbers tested, results etc) ?
 
DRW said:
That's a massive percentage, by far the largest % result, that I have read about. In some ways hopefully good news or the area or maybe light at the end of the tunnel as such.

Do you happen to have a link for the results or write up, would like to read about it(numbers tested, results etc) ?
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I don't - its in one of the local papers today - but i'll probably find it online at some point - will share when i come across a good
I agree its a surprising & staggeringly high number - based on just over 1000 people tested - but that valley was hit hard very hard in terms of cases and deaths in late march
They are ramping up serological testing across Bergamo now - so we may get a better and more balanced picture reasonably soon
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Billy
There is only one reason for this method of investigation. There are not enough officers as against the prevalence of the crimes.
Because of that, prioritising is practised and so officers do not attend.
I won't go into the benefits of them attending as they did in the past, but it is not the fact that what happens now is the best way to deal with the burglary.
As for failing to trace property which is traceable ( the phone example) , that is not right. It may be policy but it isn't the right way to police.
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Totally agree with everything you say. When I joined we went to everything and I was proud to say I always went the extra mile, because it’s what I would have expected myself.

As you clearly know, police officers these days and, by extension, the public they serve, have been the victims of political ideology dressed up as austerity.

I don’t like much of it any more than most, but I won’t stand idly by and allow unwarranted criticism when the targets of that criticism shouldn’t be the police service, but those who have largely dismantled it.
 
We’ve just made 14 clear days since our last new case was found (there’s still a fella running round who had it but might've been cleared to leave hospital too early) And no deaths since 27th April so 13 days and counting. And there are now just 2 known cases in the country, both receiving treatment

Asking myself what this means & can only think of three possibilities
Folks are ill/dying from it but not being tested
Folks have it at home but none require medical treatment
The stringent social and economic curfew has dam near eradicated it from a 1.3 mil population

I can’t believe the 1st is happening & I don't believe that the only people to have it just happen to be asymptomatic (or self-treatable with paracetamol) so maybe because it what I want I’m going with the last option. I have to believe 7½ weeks of tough curfew & closed borders have been worth it (& there’s still at least 19 days of it to go)
 
pauljames87 said:
Does not surprise me one bit

They will open some jobs and drop people back into them .. furlough the gig economy etc longer and let things that can operate a bit open up. Fast foods are making a come back slowly

Get as many people off furlough as possible to keep costs down

They will want to protect the economy
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We bailed the banks out to the tune of £500bn, Furlough costs £13bn a month and £104bn to date.

Stopping furlough could cost more lives.

Dont forget Mr Sunak has already said it'll all have to be paid back one way or another. There is no free lunch.
 
Stuart_C said:
We bailed the banks out to the tune of £500bn, Furlough costs £13bn a month and £104bn to date.

Stopping furlough could cost more lives.

Dont forget Mr Sunak has already said it'll all have to be paid back one way or another. There is no free lunch.
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Indeed no free lunch, they will make sure of it

Socialist on a budget

I read somewhere yest (can't find ATM I will try but on parent duties) that too many people took up furlong (in their eyes ofc) as it was more designed to help jobs remain after this but some things keeping during this was idea

For example I haven't seen my window cleaner throughout this. Easy to social distance. Can do bank only payments .. etc but I believe he furloughed himself , the gov didn't expect everyone to grind to a halt ..

MC Donald's for me was a pure money decision.. nothing on health (apart from better for people not eating it) the NHS struggling after long shifts could just go drive through pick something up as shops now closed or empty (at the time) but nope they closed meaning more people not getting an income when they could have easily adapted to social distance

(Like they are now with re opening a few drive through onlys)
 
pauljames87 said:
Indeed no free lunch, they will make sure of it

Socialist on a budget

I read somewhere yest (can't find ATM I will try but on parent duties) that too many people took up furlong (in their eyes ofc) as it was more designed to help jobs remain after this but some things keeping during this was idea

For example I haven't seen my window cleaner throughout this. Easy to social distance. Can do bank only payments .. etc but I believe he furloughed himself , the gov didn't expect everyone to grind to a halt ..

MC Donald's for me was a pure money decision.. nothing on health (apart from better for people not eating it) the NHS struggling after long shifts could just go drive through pick something up as shops now closed or empty (at the time) but nope they closed meaning more people not getting an income when they could have easily adapted to social distance

(Like they are now with re opening a few drive through onlys)
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The issue for businesses, I'm one of them, is that it is simply not economical to keep current staff levels as demand as dropped so significantly. Furlough has meant that we are not laying off staff, delaying the point long enough where we hope demand will return.

If you take your McDonalds example, every site is a franchise so an individual business. To keep them open for drive thru's only, with few people driving, means keeping sufficient staff for a 24hr operation to cook, serve, clean etc. The money coming through would simply not be there so the logical decision is to close and furlough staff. Why should they keep open, make a loss? They are a business not a charity. Now they are relaxing the driving rules we may see some start to open. They will not need anywhere near the number of staff still so does the franchise make the bulk of them redundant or keep them on furlough, hoping the next phase is reached and they can bring them all back?

Furlough has been a brilliant scheme and it is a price worth paying. The alternative would be grim indeed.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
The issue for businesses, I'm one of them, is that it is simply not economical to keep current staff levels as demand as dropped so significantly. Furlough has meant that we are not laying off staff, delaying the point long enough where we hope demand will return.

If you take your McDonalds example, every site is a franchise so an individual business. To keep them open for drive thru's only, with few people driving, means keeping sufficient staff for a 24hr operation to cook, serve, clean etc. The money coming through would simply not be there so the logical decision is to close and furlough staff. Why should they keep open, make a loss? They are a business not a charity. Now they are relaxing the driving rules we may see some start to open. They will not need anywhere near the number of staff still so does the franchise make the bulk of them redundant or keep them on furlough, hoping the next phase is reached and they can bring them all back?

Furlough has been a brilliant scheme and it is a price worth paying. The alternative would be grim indeed.
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However your own statement covers it. Use it correctly. You could furlough staff to cover that aren't needed whilst demand is lower etc

Back to MC Donald's as the example..say reduced hours. 11am-11pm drive through only you can furlough some staff correctly and keep some for opening.

Furloughing the lot wasn't the idea when your business could remain open

MC Donald's also do Uber eats. Very popular in London.

I know TGI has re opened with people able to book slots to come get food cooked for them and put in their boot (limited menu)

Blanket closures ground everything to a halt.
 
pauljames87 said:
However your own statement covers it. Use it correctly. You could furlough staff to cover that aren't needed whilst demand is lower etc

Back to MC Donald's as the example..say reduced hours. 11am-11pm drive through only you can furlough some staff correctly and keep some for opening.

Furloughing the lot wasn't the idea when your business could remain open

MC Donald's also do Uber eats. Very popular in London.

I know TGI has re opened with people able to book slots to come get food cooked for them and put in their boot (limited menu)

Blanket closures ground everything to a halt.
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Closing en masse was the logical business move in the circumstances. Business owners made commerical decisions based on the figures. If they could have stayed open and made money, safely, then they would have done but if the govt thought companies would stay open to provide a service and make a loss then they don't know business.

What you are suggesting their thought process was is an ideal, a theory. If they had run this past companies, they barely had the time, then universally they would have been told what would happen in reality. You can argue whether that is in the spirit of the scheme but when it comes down to business survival then the spirit of matters goes out the window,
 
I was thinking this morning that, whenever the timing, getting back to anything like normal after this will be really difficult. Life has taken on a new routine and many (including me) have slipped into a more relaxed way of life. Furlough is one (small for me) element but huge for many others. I sense there could be a general malaise and reluctance to get back in gear and back into a more normal pace of life.
 
AmandaJR said:
I was thinking this morning that, whenever the timing, getting back to anything like normal after this will be really difficult. Life has taken on a new routine and many (including me) have slipped into a more relaxed way of life. Furlough is one (small for me) element but huge for many others. I sense there could be a general malaise and reluctance to get back in gear and back into a more normal pace of life.
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I know the feeling.
I can't decide whether to have a late breakfast or an early lunch :unsure:
 
We've still got over 20 patients in the unit and predictions of a spike next weekend and the following week after last nights news. Could be interesting as we've scaled back out of the theatre space we took over and were looking to move out of theatre recovery today so they could have the whole area back and start operating fully. Not sure how of the contingency plans if the spike does come again
 
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