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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

PhilTheFragger said:
Something in not quite getting, can someone explain

We have been in lockdown for 7 weeks now

The virus has an incubation period of up to 14 days and if you get it, then you have it for 2 or 3 weeks.

So we should be seeing a dramatic reduction in both new cases and deaths, yes both figures have improved, but both should be nearer zero by now.

Where are people still catching it from?

Is it from Hospitals, carehomes or the wider public at large?
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I'm sure someone on here was saying that the majority of infections are from hospitals and care homes..outside of that infection rates are quite low
 
Billysboots said:
You’re not looking hard enough. Just because you don’t see them doesn’t mean they’re not there although, with respect, they won’t spend their entire time on just your street - unless, of course, your local residents are giving them good reason to be there.

If you’re expecting to see a beat officer walking, then don’t because they are something of a rarity. But there’s more than one way of being active in communities.

And, sorry, your suggestion the police these days rely on cameras is absolute codswallop. It was that element of your post I took exception to.
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Sorry but I still disagree.
I would not assume what it’s like for somebody else.
I am just letting you know what it’s like here .
A quick google shows a record number of speed camera fines were handed out last year in the Uk 2.02 Million.
That’s the question I answered from SR about Speeding..

There’s a reason for no beat bobbies.
All my local Police stations have been closed.
And to be honest I don’t really know where the nearest one is now.
The City centre I think 6 miles away. Transport depot Edge Lane.
That’s a big beat for anyone.
 
Billysboots said:
I really am not going to become embroiled in a debate about policing, other than to say it is exceptionally easy to criticise that which you don’t really understand.

Policing is one of the most complex jobs there is, with officers expected to be all things to all people. Those who choose the career immediately make themselves fair game to the press, media, public and politicians to vilify, that vilification often being based on nothing other than ill informed speculation.

To touch on one or two comments, a good deal of what is referred to as volume crime is classed these days as non-attendant meaning, yes, you’ve guessed it, that you may not receive a visit. That is a direct result of the huge expansion in what the police are now expected to take responsibility for following demands from you, the public. Put simply, nobody can be in two places at once, never mind half a dozen, and if a physical officer presence at a crime scene won’t bring any value to an investigation, then time and resources are better spent elsewhere.

Policing has evolved enormously in the last twenty years or so, much of it not to the liking of the police themselves. But the days of Dixon Of Dock Green, and bobbies on every street corner, are long gone.
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That’s why you rely heavily on CCTV but your saying you don’t??
Spent quite some time on jury service couple of years ago and EVERY trial relied heavily on Cameras as there was no other evidence of note.
Just my experience , but feel free to tell me I don’t understand it.
 
Kaz said:
In all seriousness, though, my guess is that we just haven't been strict enough with the lockdown. If you compare what they did in Spain and Italy they seem a tad draconian compared to us but appear to have been more successful.

As an example (and to blame cyclists again) one thing I noticed while out for a walk last weekend was that the "Just Eat" public hire bikes are still out and being widely used. Which seems madness to me.
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Walking is just as bad as cycling surely??
 
Jamesbrown said:
Well still no vaccine for SARS or MERS which are of the coronavirus family.
How long you got?
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Good news then...
Human trials began almost 3 weeks ago.

A million doses of their experimental Covid-19 vaccine could be ready as early as September, Oxford scientists say

On April 23, a potential coronavirus vaccine being developed at the University of Oxford began human trials.

Now a study involving up to 510 healthy volunteers between 18 and 55 is under way in Oxford and Southampton, with three further sites likely to be added.

Scientists working on the vaccine have said they could know within six weeks whether it will work.

Sir John Bell, Regius Professor of Medicine at Oxford University, said “several hundred” Britons have now been given the experimental jab, with hopes that “signals” about whether it works could emerge by mid-June.

The normal procedure would be to wait and see if the vaccine works, then start production of millions of doses.
To speed up that process they have already started production.
 
Kaz said:
For the avoidance of doubt, I'm joking about cyclists. The issue with the hire bikes is that they are shared so when you take one for all you know it has just been used by someone with the virus. I'm amazed anyone is still using them.

Although there is an interesting study that does show cycling and running is potentially worse for spreading the virus than walking. Something to do with the size of the area around an infected person that contains virus which is bigger the faster you are moving. The suggestion was that walking past someone at 2m is probably fine but if running you should give them more even space than that.
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Yes I thought so.
But you just can’t teach idiot!
I would not go near a shared bike atm.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Something in not quite getting, can someone explain

We have been in lockdown for 7 weeks now

The virus has an incubation period of up to 14 days and if you get it, then you have it for 2 or 3 weeks.

So we should be seeing a dramatic reduction in both new cases and deaths, yes both figures have improved, but both should be nearer zero by now.

Where are people still catching it from?

Is it from Hospitals, carehomes or the wider public at large?
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Take your point, but at the moment of lockdown the virus was in a lot of people. Not just those in hospital or home with symptoms. And in one day( before lockdown), those people exponentially spread it. Imagine one person doesn't know they've got it, goes to work via public transport, goes to the shops, then home, then the pub etc. So many get it and then off they go.
Longish time before lockdown starts to reduce that spread drastically.
May I suggest people still catching it, not so much from other people not being close to them, I.e social distancing, but from contact with surfaces touched by those with it.
Shopping, Mail, packaging almost all plastic etc.
How long is the virus active on these surfaces?
- If we have muppets not too worried about SD, how worried are they gonna be about not touching surfaces, or cleaning them before touching. These muppets almost pride themselves on being "cavalier" about this matter. You can almost hear the words "" what a fuss you're making" etc.

I'd still bet on your last option.
 
Jamesbrown said:
Well still no vaccine for SARS or MERS which are of the coronavirus family.
How long you got?
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That's because there isn't any urgency with SARS etc. Before covid it wasn't too bothersome at all- This covid 19!is obviously a different beastie altogether, and so, the effort to find the vaccine will be much much urgent and ongoing.
There have been human trials going on for week or two at Oxford Uni.
The vaccine is being made in quantity in case it is effective. When human trials are happening, that is quite a long way down the development road.

That is just this Country. Many others are doing the same.

They are also trailing existing licensed medicines to see if they can reduce the serious effects of this virus. Doesn't cure it but might stop it killing you.
That is being trialled at Chelsea and Westminster hospitals.
Other countries doing likewise.
Much being done behind the scenes at a "wartime" rate.
 
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Swinglowandslow said:
Take your point, but at the moment of lockdown the virus was in a lot of people. Not just those in hospital or home with symptoms. And in one day( before lockdown), those people exponentially spread it. Imagine one person doesn't know they've got it, goes to work via public transport, goes to the shops, then home, then the pub etc. So many get it and then off they go.
Longish time before lockdown starts to reduce that spread drastically.
May I suggest people still catching it, not so much from other people not being close to them, I.e social distancing, but from contact with surfaces touched by those with it.
Shopping, Mail, packaging almost all plastic etc.
How long is the virus active on these surfaces?
- If we have muppets not too worried about SD, how worried are they gonna be about not touching surfaces, or cleaning them before touching. These muppets almost pride themselves on being "cavalier" about this matter. You can almost hear the words "" what a fuss you're making" etc.

I'd still bet on your last option.
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I read somewhere (I know, but I think it was legit) that a lot of the new cases are in the care sector (inmates and staff) so not impacted by the lockdown.
Regarding transmission, my own experience is that the distancing advice is followed a lot more closely than hand washing before touching the face. Which is probably the wrong way round in terms of effectiveness.
 
pendodave said:
I read somewhere (I know, but I think it was legit) that a lot of the new cases are in the care sector (inmates and staff) so not impacted by the lockdown.
Regarding transmission, my own experience is that the distancing advice is followed a lot more closely than hand washing before touching the face. Which is probably the wrong way round in terms of effectiveness.
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The staff go home, pass it on to people they meet, they pass it on and so on and so forth.
 
Spain has its lowest deaths number for almost 8 week = 143
It has its highest day for recoveries.

It also has its lowest day for quite some time of new cases. However, it made very sad reading that 42% of the new cases are healthcare workers.
 
SocketRocket said:
The staff go home, pass it on to people they meet, they pass it on and so on and so forth.
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Indeed. It was the point I was trying to make in answer to the question about why new cases continue despite a lockdown being in place. Sadly, I don't see any particular lockdown strategy changing this scenario.
 
pendodave said:
Indeed. It was the point I was trying to make in answer to the question about why new cases continue despite a lockdown being in place. Sadly, I don't see any particular lockdown strategy changing this scenario.
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I think the word LOCKDOWN is very misleading ,like a lot of the government “ rules”.
If people can go out walking, cycling , shopping etc. Another word is needed because lockdown it isn’t correct.
 
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