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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

SocketRocket said:
Thanks for that, I didnt find it. It looks like it's only speculation from the press at the moment.
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In an interview last night, Mr Sunak tried to reassure workers and businesses that they will not face a 'cliff edge' of subsidies being withdrawn immediately when lockdown measures are eased.

But amid signs of strains within government about the huge burden on the country's finances, Mr Sunak pointed out that the furlough scheme could soon be costing the same as the NHS budget - an estimated £11 billion a month.

'I'm working, as we speak, to figure out the most effective way to wind down the (furlough) scheme and to ease people back into work in a measured way,' he told ITV.

'As some scenarios have suggested, we are potentially spending as much on the furlough scheme as we do on the NHS, for example. Clearly that is not a sustainable situation.'

More than just press speculation.
 
PaulS said:
So the initial statement was right - because we don’t have the punishments and the level of fines the police are pretty much powerless when it comes to what we see in the picture
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No, if a few Policemen with loudhailers went into that park they could clear it in no time and some fines handed out would prevent it happening again.
 
Stuart_C said:
In an interview last night, Mr Sunak tried to reassure workers and businesses that they will not face a 'cliff edge' of subsidies being withdrawn immediately when lockdown measures are eased.

But amid signs of strains within government about the huge burden on the country's finances, Mr Sunak pointed out that the furlough scheme could soon be costing the same as the NHS budget - an estimated £11 billion a month.

'I'm working, as we speak, to figure out the most effective way to wind down the (furlough) scheme and to ease people back into work in a measured way,' he told ITV.

'As some scenarios have suggested, we are potentially spending as much on the furlough scheme as we do on the NHS, for example. Clearly that is not a sustainable situation.'

More than just press speculation.
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I am not arguing with the concept and it's obvious the scheme cannot carry on for long. When I read about reports saying it would be reduced I couldnt find reports saying that. You provided a link to the DM where they speculated it being cut to 60%, so yes.
 
SocketRocket said:
No, if a few Policemen with loudhailers went into that park they could clear it in no time and some fines handed out would prevent it happening again.
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And what happens if they ignore the loudhailer? How many police would it take to go around giving thousands a fine ?

The police have said it’s not manageable for them to be able to police large areas like that - it’s happened all over the country with the VE celebrations yesterday as well. That’s what happens when governments rip the forces to the bare bones and display mixed messages in what they say.
 
PaulS said:
And what happens if they ignore the loudhailer? How many police would it take to go around giving thousands a fine ?

The police have said it’s not manageable for them to be able to police large areas like that - it’s happened all over the country with the VE celebrations yesterday as well. That’s what happens when governments rip the forces to the bare bones and display mixed messages in what they say.
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If they're serious about stopping people sunbathing and having picnics etc then get the Army in..
 
SocketRocket said:
You dont need to. As I suggested you dont need to police everywhere, a few Police in a park with loudspeakers and handing out some fines will clear it, if you do it consistently the word gets around. One problem is the fines are too small, some £800 first fines would make an impression. What stops most people speeding in cars or parking on yellow lines?
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Cameras .
 
SocketRocket said:
It's just the way we are, soft on crime. Take a look at Spain for instance and see how people have been locked down and the punishments for breaking it. If you knew you would get an £800 fine for breaking the rules would you chance it?
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Reported today in Spain, 900,000 fines. As painful as its been, and certain areas have looked to be following the lockdown really well, I'm not sure Spain has been much different behind closed doors. We know of BBQ's, parties drinks on the terrace by a number of our neighbours.

Mind you, 900,000 x €60(minimum) = €54,000,000.
 
Hobbit said:
Reported today in Spain, 900,000 fines. As painful as its been, and certain areas have looked to be following the lockdown really well, I'm not sure Spain has been much different behind closed doors. We know of BBQ's, parties drinks on the terrace by a number of our neighbours.

Mind you, 900,000 x €60(minimum) = €54,000,000.
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so it doesnt actually stop people, just offsets some of the costs to the economy as plenty seem happy to break the rules and pay the fine, or have they still got to collect on the fines?
 
PaulS said:
And what happens if they ignore the loudhailer? How many police would it take to go around giving thousands a fine ?

The police have said it’s not manageable for them to be able to police large areas like that - it’s happened all over the country with the VE celebrations yesterday as well. That’s what happens when governments rip the forces to the bare bones and display mixed messages in what they say.
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You just dont get it. I've seen film of police with loudhailers in parks and it does work. What you're saying is unless you give out fines to everyone that speeds it's not a deterent. I have explained a number of times to you now that the police dont need to fine them all, just fine six or ten in that park and it would be a deterent, the problem is the fines are not large enough to deter.
 
clubchamp98 said:
I havnt seen cops on the beat for donkeys years .
They rely on cameras .
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Cobblers. Sorry, but when most police forces were cut to the bone, they remained focused on community policing because it is still the foundation upon which policing in this country is built. Do you sit all day at your window specifically seeking out the police?

The two biggest bandwagons in this country, and the most misinformed, are that police are no longer visible in the community and that they spend their entire lives targeting the poor, innocent motorist.
 
clubchamp98 said:
I havnt seen cops on the beat for donkeys years .
They rely on cameras .
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This conversation is chasing red herrings, Speed cameras are nothing to do with it. Are you're saying we should not fine anyone for anything as it's impossible to hand out the tickets?

Cameras dont give out parking tickets. We do have Police and Community Officers who can do this, it's not as though we need them all on the roads at the moment.
 
Did I miss the rules being relaxed already. So many cars on the road, people over the nature reserve having full blown games of footie and picnics. No concept pf social distancing ad I won't be surprised when we get a second spike of infections being passed in the community. People have already got it in their head tomorrow will see lockdown relaxed and gone ahead and decided it doesn't matter
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Did I miss the rules being relaxed already. So many cars on the road, people over the nature reserve having full blown games of footie and picnics. No concept pf social distancing ad I won't be surprised when we get a second spike of infections being passed in the community. People have already got it in their head tomorrow will see lockdown relaxed and gone ahead and decided it doesn't matter
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I don't think it's a case of people thinking it's being relaxed. I think people have just had enough. I'm not saying it's right
 
hovis said:
I don't think it's a case of people thinking it's being relaxed. I think people have just had enough. I'm not saying it's right
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Up to a point I agree but what if we were still at a stage where the rate of infection hadn't dropped and the government imposed say another two weeks. People need to take responsibility for the ir actions or we're never going to break the back of the epidemic
 
hovis said:
I don't think it's a case of people thinking it's being relaxed. I think people have just had enough. I'm not saying it's right
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The frustrating thing is that if folk could stick with it for a few more weeks we’d have figures like those seen in France today.

We’re a couple of weeks or so behind them, and they seem to have a lid on things now.
 
Billysboots said:
The frustrating thing is that if folk could stick with it for a few more weeks we’d have figures like those seen in France today.

We’re a couple of weeks or so behind them, and they seem to have a lid on things now.
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France have been very strict with their stance on gatherings. Enforcing fines and even stricter measures for the reoffenders.

Looking at the pictures on social media today (I hope they were fake).....I feel we'll regress before making progress.
 
Junior said:
France have been very strict with their stance on gatherings. Enforcing fines and even stricter measures for the reoffenders.

Looking at the pictures on social media today (I hope they were fake).....I feel we'll regress before making progress.
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I’ve read comments from those involved in that street party in Cosham. If what they are saying is true then the images were, shall we say, “manufactured” by the BBC.

Whilst it looks like a jumbled crowd, if you zoom in you will see groups of 3/4 people all standing apart from other groups.

The claim is that the BBC asked them to stand in family groups in that way. It seems we now all know why.

And before a certain someone has a pop at me for being “Anti Aunty”, I only repeat here what has been said by residents in response to the backlash.
 
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