Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[pokerjoke]

I think on the politics of it we all need to acknowledge the unprecedented nature of the situation. Frankly it's a massive challenge regardless of who is in charge.

As far as our government goes, they have impressed me with some things they have done but they have got other things wrong. Some of the measures (even the good ones) have been improved after the fact as they responded to feedback and criticism and that is to their credit but also shows the need for debate, not blind subservience.

A debate will not be a debate for long, mud slinging will start pretty soon after.
Wether the government have done right or wrong nobody will know if anyone could have done better.
The only way we will get through this is if everyone works together.
It will take time,but ones things for sure,when someone needs to make that decision that we can move our lives forward it better be the right one.

 

[MegaSteve]

No system of Government could ever function or make timely decisions. We have elections and then let the winners and opposition get on with it. Superficial questions from a few ignorant activists must be treated as the noise it is.

Do you honestly genuinely believe team tory would be sitting, in silence, unquestioning if there was a socialist Labour government in Westminster presently? Sorry, all I can see is the Tory press picking the bones out of every move with the blue rosette wearers nodding in agreement...

 

[Hobbit]

When will lockdown in Spain end?

Number of cases(total) on the day of lockdown; 9,942... rising at just under 2,000 around that day.
Number of deaths on the day of lockdown; 48.... number of deaths yesterday 525

Yes, in all indicators, the numbers are reducing but if Spain went into lockdown when infections were around 2,000 and deaths were at 48, surely they can't lift it any time soon? Perhaps the most telling figure, new cases as of yesterday 4,754. That more than double what it was when Spain went into lockdown. More than double the number of people who could infect others.

The ramp that went up around lockdown, with only 2,000 new seeders was steep but imagine what it would be like if the were 4,754 new seeders!

Lockdown lifted in a month's time? I very much doubt it.

 

[bobmac]

Not going to church on Easter Sunday is a big thing for me these days. First time since 1213 that churches in UK have been closed on Easter Sunday...?

But I hope to pop into my church later today ( as I have a key) as I pass it on my daily walk - to say a wee prayer for us all, and I might actually do a little solo unaccompanied rendition of ‘Jesus Christ is risen today’ - with my wife as the congregation. Churches should be filled with the sounds of celebration on this day, but today also prayer for us all of all faiths or none; for our health and for the health and future of the country.

Who else has their own key?
Surely if churches are closed that's it they're closed to everyone.
What happens if someone sees you and follows you in?

 

[User20204]

Lockdown lifted in a month's time? I very much doubt it.

So what's the answer.

Lockdown can't go on indefinitely and if your numbers are correct it seems not to be working that great. At some point in time the bigger picture has to be looked at and possibly just accepting that lots more are going to get infected but life and the economy has to go on.

 

[Hobbit]

So what's the answer.

Lockdown can't go on indefinitely and if your numbers are correct it seems not to be working that great. At some point in time the bigger picture has to be looked at and possibly just accepting that lots more are going to get infected but life and the economy has to go on.

The raw numbers don't show rises and falls, nor a plateau. Try the link below. But here's a thought; how do you grow/maintain an economy if too many people are dying?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

 

[Fish]

Who else has their own key?
Surely if churches are closed that's it they're closed to everyone.
What happens if someone sees you and follows you in?

As its within walking distance, and being a key holder, I don't see it being an issue to check the security of the church, and if Hugh wants to take advantage of that, locking himself in no doubt at that time, then fill yer boots.

 

[pokerjoke]

When will lockdown in Spain end?

Number of cases(total) on the day of lockdown; 9,942... rising at just under 2,000 around that day.
Number of deaths on the day of lockdown; 48.... number of deaths yesterday 525

Yes, in all indicators, the numbers are reducing but if Spain went into lockdown when infections were around 2,000 and deaths were at 48, surely they can't lift it any time soon? Perhaps the most telling figure, new cases as of yesterday 4,754. That more than double what it was when Spain went into lockdown. More than double the number of people who could infect others.

The ramp that went up around lockdown, with only 2,000 new seeders was steep but imagine what it would be like if the were 4,754 new seeders!

Lockdown lifted in a month's time? I very much doubt it.

Agreed it will be a while yet.
However on the other hand it has to move somewhere soon.
More people could die as a result of lockdown for different reasons

 

[Old Skier]

Patel said sorry if NHS staff *feel* that enough is not being done for PPE.. feel?? Really ‘feel’??

The only reality is how much kit is on the ground... local GP is fund raising to buy their own kit. They recently imported directly from overseas as the NHS one was a bin bag. Dentists in the area are shut as they don’t have any PPE to work in an area full of aerosol..

And she talks about ‘feel’.. what b*llocks ... on the plus side, she did park her smirk for the day

A doctor in a London hospital, a doctor not the logie, tweets that they are running out of some items of PPE. Within 12 hours that hospital has the items required. Seems there's more wrong with the hospital systems rather than the government.

Three NHS workers questioned on Breakfast news said they have more than they need. So it looks like NHS systems need looking at.

Friend of HID is a senior nurse and she said that admin staff who have no contact with patients are in offices demanding full PPE. Perhaps fear is causing some to go OTT in some circumstances. Who knows

 

[User20204]

The raw numbers don't show rises and falls, nor a plateau. Try the link below. But here's a thought; how do you grow/maintain an economy if too many people are dying?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

I check that site daily, often daily.

I don't believe the death rate is as apocalyptic as you may think. It is not killing everything it touches if it was it would already be in the millions. So the economy will start to get going once things open up, slowly, probably very slowly but things can't stay shut forever til it's gone, it's already common knowledge that this won't ever be gone.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

When will lockdown in Spain end?

Number of cases(total) on the day of lockdown; 9,942... rising at just under 2,000 around that day.
Number of deaths on the day of lockdown; 48.... number of deaths yesterday 525

Yes, in all indicators, the numbers are reducing but if Spain went into lockdown when infections were around 2,000 and deaths were at 48, surely they can't lift it any time soon? Perhaps the most telling figure, new cases as of yesterday 4,754. That more than double what it was when Spain went into lockdown. More than double the number of people who could infect others.

The ramp that went up around lockdown, with only 2,000 new seeders was steep but imagine what it would be like if the were 4,754 new seeders!

Lockdown lifted in a month's time? I very much doubt it.

Spain has been in a form of lockdown for a good few weeks, in a severe form of lockdown for 2-3 weeks? Should the numbers not show a dramatic drop in new infections?

I'm not trying to be critical, I'm trying to understand the time lag on this and why it is still spreading.

 

[Italian outcast]

Spain has been in a form of lockdown for a good few weeks, in a severe form of lockdown for 2-3 weeks? Should the numbers not show a dramatic drop in new infections?

I'm not trying to be critical, I'm trying to understand the time lag on this and why it is still spreading.

Not necessarily - the lockdown is to prevent a massive acceleration - which it has - but by doing so the curve flattening period is far longer - how long we must wait and see

• Even with lockdown restriction of movement you will still get 'local transmission' between people in close contact social circles

Plus what we are seeing is the often delayed onset of symptoms and later presentation for testing - many of whom may have been positive some time earlier

• The 7 days / 14 days etc timeline for general self isolation was useful as a limiting factor but i doubt the scientists ever believed that this was the consistent timeline for symptoms and subsequent safety (if not they need re-education)

 

[Hobbit]

Spain has been in a form of lockdown for a good few weeks, in a severe form of lockdown for 2-3 weeks? Should the numbers not show a dramatic drop in new infections?

I'm not trying to be critical, I'm trying to understand the time lag on this and why it is still spreading.

From what I can gather, don't hold me to this, you could be in a house with someone who is infected, and for them to not know it, but not catch it for a few days. During that time you could go shopping and give it someone who also does something very similar. And they too do the same thing.

As a lockdown is slowly lifted, e.g. you could go for a game of golf but not go into the clubhouse, I'd expect to see ripples. Peaks and troughs with, if done properly a decreasing average.

Italian Outcast beat me to it, and explained it better.

 

[drdel]

Spain has been in a form of lockdown for a good few weeks, in a severe form of lockdown for 2-3 weeks? Should the numbers not show a dramatic drop in new infections?

I'm not trying to be critical, I'm trying to understand the time lag on this and why it is still spreading.

IMO if we look at the 'shape' of 'empidemic' curves a rule of thumb would be that the rate of decline will be twice the build up. So if we have had a month of increases we will need at least two months to get levels down to an acceptable rate. It wont ever drop back to zero for a year or two after vaccinations are routine.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

As many of you know, Mum passed away in September , we have her house sold, waiting to exchange as soon as restrictions are lifted, its about 10 miles away

The house is empty and we have an empty property buildings insurance policy in place that states that the property must be visited once a week to check that there has been no fire, water leak, vandalism, break ins etc
As executor, I have to protect my position and that of the other beneficiaries

I went last Tuesday, and i will go again this Tuesday, it may not be essential travel in some peoples eyes, but I'm not having some insurance company weedle out of any possible future claim on a technicality.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

As many of you know, Mum passed away in September , we have her house sold, waiting to exchange as soon as restrictions are lifted, its about 10 miles away

The house is empty and we have an empty property buildings insurance policy in place that states that the property must be visited once a week to check that there has been no fire, water leak, vandalism, break ins etc
As executor, I have to protect my position and that of the other beneficiaries

I went last Tuesday, and i will go again this Tuesday, it may not be essential travel in some peoples eyes, but I'm not having some insurance company weedle out of any possible future claim on a technicality.

id say thats essienal , you are checking nobody is breaking the rules by having parties there

 

[Hacker Khan]

Its only a few months since he won a large majority.

On the basis that Corbyn was perceived as unelectable by many, the Labour manifesto were seen as in cloud cuckoo land and Brexit. None of which makes him unquestionable in a time of crisis that has nothing to do with the main reasons he got his landslide. In fact you could argue that as Tory MPs and the cabinet is packed full of people mostly there because of their stance on Brexit and arguably not always because of their overall competence, as we are not dealing with Brexit it makes it even more valid to have valid and reasonable questioning at this time.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

On the basis that Corbyn was perceived as unelectable by many, the Labour manifesto were seen as in cloud cuckoo land and Brexit. None of which makes him unquestionable in a time of crisis that has nothing to do with the main reasons he got his landslide. In fact you could argue that as Tory MPs and the cabinet is packed full of people mostly there because of their stance on Brexit and arguably not always because of their overall competence, as we are not dealing with Brexit it makes it even more valid to have valid and reasonable questioning at this time.

It has nothing to do with Brexit, Corbyn, the Cabinet’s former statements or stance on anything!

They should be questioned because they are making decisions which impact everyone’s lives, and we need to be sure they are doing it properly.


If this were Blair’s govt, Thatcher, Churchill, anyone. They should still be questioned.

 

[Foxholer]

I go off the Health England site https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ae5dda8f86814ae99dde905d2a9070ae

Just had a look at the UK figures from the link Hobbit posted.
A couple of dips in UK figures for Deaths (March 29,30 and April 5, 6) corresponded to Sundays and Mondays. Seems like the folk suggesting reporting delays slew some figures may well have been correct - at least for deaths. Another 'dip' today. If the same pattern repeats tomorrow and Tuesday (Easter affected), I'd be pretty certain that weekend 'dips' in death figures are affected by reporting delays. I'd suspect (only) that new cases are reported much more toward patient's entry!
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/UK

 

[Billysboots]

Spain has been in a form of lockdown for a good few weeks, in a severe form of lockdown for 2-3 weeks? Should the numbers not show a dramatic drop in new infections?

I'm not trying to be critical, I'm trying to understand the time lag on this and why it is still spreading.

I think it seems to be accepted now that this lockdown is not about wiping this virus out - a lockdown is never going to achieve that. It’s about protecting health services.

The ludicrous thing about Spain’s figures is that, despite there still being over 200 deaths and nearly 3000 new infections in the last 24 hours, I am enormously encouraged by them. There are a lot of emergency rooms at hospitals in Spain which are now working at normal capacity.

I think we simply have to accept that this has all been about buying time. Time for drug trials to start, time for work to get underway on a vaccine, and time for the NHS to try and get in some sort of position where it can face a long term battle, which is what this will be.

The lockdown, in my view, is only a small preliminary piece of a much bigger picture.