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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

SocketRocket said:
How does wearing protective gloves stop the spread of the virus unless you change them after touching something?
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Not sure how they help - especially as in the short term you might forget and touch your face. Also I understand that the virus does last long on any absorbent material as some aspect of it absorbed by the material. So maybe that’s one thing about gloves that mean a pair won’t hold an infective virus for long. It’s something like that.

I still think it’s not a great idea to wear gloves when out and about. When out just try and not touch any hard surface and don’t touch face then when home wash hands with soap thoroughly seems to be the order of the day, week and month or two...?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Not sure how they help - especially as in the short term you might forget and touch your face. Also I understand that the virus does last long on any absorbent material as some aspect of it absorbed by the material. So maybe that’s one thing about gloves that mean a pair won’t hold an infective virus for long. It’s something like that.

I still think it’s not a great idea to wear gloves when out and about. When out just try and not touch any hard surface and don’t touch face then when home wash hands with soap thoroughly seems to be the order of the day, week and month or two...?
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For some weird psychological reason you’re less likely to touch your face when you have gloves on. If you get an itch, without gloves on, you’ll rub with your fingers. If you have gloves on you’ll use the back of your wrist.
 
SocketRocket said:
How does wearing protective gloves stop the spread of the virus unless you change them after touching something?
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To put it simply - it doesn't. I wear gloves when I go for our weekly shop. I drive to the supermarket, get out of the car and then put the gloves on. I get my trolley, join the queue and then go in to the supermarket to get whatever we need using the scan as you shop handset. Once I've finished I go to the checkout and take off one of my gloves so that I can use my free (ungloved) hand to get my wallet out and pay for my shopping. I then use the other hand to push the trolley to the car, unlock the car using my ungloved hand, and unload the shopping with my other hand. Once I've unloaded I'll take my trolley back and then take the other glove off and bin them both. When I get home I unload the shopping, unpack anything that has plastic packaging, wipe everything down, wash my hands and then put it away. And then wash my hands again. Maybe I'm going overboard with the precautions but I'd rather do that than risk passing the virus on to Mrs Colch who is at higher risk due to her asthma.
 
ColchesterFC said:
To put it simply - it doesn't. I wear gloves when I go for our weekly shop. I drive to the supermarket, get out of the car and then put the gloves on. I get my trolley, join the queue and then go in to the supermarket to get whatever we need using the scan as you shop handset. Once I've finished I go to the checkout and take off one of my gloves so that I can use my free (ungloved) hand to get my wallet out and pay for my shopping. I then use the other hand to push the trolley to the car, unlock the car using my ungloved hand, and unload the shopping with my other hand. Once I've unloaded I'll take my trolley back and then take the other glove off and bin them both. When I get home I unload the shopping, unpack anything that has plastic packaging, wipe everything down, wash my hands and then put it away. And then wash my hands again. Maybe I'm going overboard with the precautions but I'd rather do that than risk passing the virus on to Mrs Colch who is at higher risk due to her asthma.
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So they do then if used properly!
 
Billysboots said:
Given the crass stupidity and downright recklessness of so many, I can assure you the police have been anything but heavy handed.

There have been a few stories reported in the press (The Daily Mail, if you believe a word that rag prints), which have painted the police in an appalling light. But that is what the Mail do, and what it’s readership whips itself into a frenzy over. The majority of those stories are, quite simply, click-bait rubbish.

I have seen the national briefings which are encouraging the police how to deal with this crisis and, to a huge extent, the response is what has been encouraged. Far from heavy handed, and they certainly haven’t been encouraged to search shopping trolleys. That is press inspired codswallop.

The response has been anything but over zealous. But over zealous is precisely what a lot of our great British public need, because they are too stupid to see what’s staring them in the face.
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At the coal face, maybe, but if these comments are correct then someone needs to have a word with him;

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...reatened-to-search-shoppers-trolleys-11971269

I don't want to join the knockers because I've been there and got that T-shirt, but that bloke has made a rod for all of your backs if the report is correct, and I've seen comments that Priti Patel has got involved because of them.
 
ferenezejohn said:
The stricter borders controls should have been in place early January, and the blame lies directly with China and the WHO, they lied and covered up how bad the situation was.
China saying it couldn't be transmitted human, to human, while they had thousands of cases.
The WHO telling Trump his ban on flights from China was wrong, doctors being silenced in Wuhan, these were crimes against humanity and should not be forgotten.
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Oh please......

If there's anyone to blame, blame our leader. Blame the general public for not adhering to the staying indoors lock down.
Didn't the police just this week break up over 500+ house parties? That was just in Manchester alone.
We the UK as a country should be prepared for things like this. But instead we think we live in this perfect bubble and things won't affect us. Jesus, didn't the country come to a standstill when it snowed?

There's plenty of reports, China notified the WHO 31st Dec 2019, the WHO put out a statement around mid Jan for the world to brace itself. What was the UK talking/tweeting about around Jan/Feb? A gay presenter and one that committed suicide (RIP).

The WHO had reported that Preliminary investigations have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission. So they wasn't 100% sure at the time. For all they knew it could had been unusually high cases of the flu.
Reason why the WHO damned Trump over the flights from China was Trump was only banning chinese people. The Covid_19 infects all races. It doesn't discriminate.

So by what you're saying, the US should be held accountable for the Swine Flu circa 2009.....you go research that and see how many cases and deaths there.

This virus could had started anywhere, its up to the country, its government and its people how to handle it together instead of passing blame.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Yes, absolutely. Unfortunately there are a large number of people in this country that are too stupid to use them correctly. Just like there are too many that are too stupid to follow the advice to stay at home.
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I'm actually in the same position as you and my wife has asthma so I do the shopping and follow pretty much the same method. All the gloves do is act as a disposable barrier they don't kill the virus as it seems some people imagine if you go by how they use them
 
I did over 50 deliveries to pharmacies on Thursday morning all over Coventry & Warwickshire, then 60 bread boxes to vulnerable peoples homes in the afternoon & night, it’s extremely difficult to protect yourself fully, putting gloves on & off when handling items, using my gel when back in the van, it’s an impossible routine without going to extremes, and even then there’s always going to be some cross contamination to a degree.

Everyday I’m handling goods that I don’t have any history of on how they’ve been protected from previous contamination!

I protect myself as best I can, but changing my gloves for every delivery I handle would see me get through 100+ gloves a day, then along with a face mask, which I’ve now run out of, I simply can’t afford to keep buying the PPE at the extortionate prices out there now.

I deliver a lot of prescriptions into pharmacies within supermarkets and the queues at some are enormous, ok I understand everyone is 2m apart and it’s only so many in & out, but I’ve been using my local mini market and always walked straight in!

With people not having to wait until the weekend to do a main shop, I’m surprised by the daily long queues, I’d have thought they’d be much less as people can shop throughout the week?

But looking at so many without any protection in the queues who are possibly handling items that they may not buy, I think the supermarkets and all shops should adopt a policy of everyone wearing PPE or you can’t enter!

The Kenny Dalgliesh story needs more visibility, in that, he wasn’t showing and still isn’t showing any symptoms, but he’s been tested positive, so unbeknown to him, he was potentially a carrier!

I know he was self isolating, but there are too many people out & about thinking they’re ok but are possibly infecting people, this message really needs to be drummed in more and PPE worn when out enforced.
 
The info on Kenny Dalglish is out there.

Sir Kenny was admitted to hospital on Wednesday April 8 for treatment of an infection which required intravenous antibiotics.

In keeping with current procedures, he was subsequently tested for COVID-19 despite having previously displayed no symptoms of the illness. Unexpectedly, the test result was positive but he remains asymptomatic.

Prior to his admission to hospital, Sir Kenny had chosen to voluntarily self-isolate for longer than the advised period together with his family. He would urge everyone to follow the relevant government and expert guidance in the days and weeks ahead.
 
Stuart_C said:
The info on Kenny Dalglish is out there.

Sir Kenny was admitted to hospital on Wednesday April 8 for treatment of an infection which required intravenous antibiotics.

In keeping with current procedures, he was subsequently tested for COVID-19 despite having previously displayed no symptoms of the illness. Unexpectedly, the test result was positive but he remains asymptomatic.

Prior to his admission to hospital, Sir Kenny had chosen to voluntarily self-isolate for longer than the advised period together with his family. He would urge everyone to follow the relevant government and expert guidance in the days and weeks ahead.
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I know, but not everyone lives on social media, and the news haven’t really pushed it, well not what I’ve seen anyway.

His story will potentially be alike to many others, who think they’re ok because they’re not displaying symptoms, but just like KK, it doesn’t mean you haven’t got it, so I’d like to see factual stories like this pumped out more.
 
Fish said:
I know, but not everyone lives on social media, and the news haven’t really pushed it, well not what I’ve seen anyway.

His story will potentially be alike to many others, who think they’re ok because they’re not displaying symptoms, but just like KK, it doesn’t mean you haven’t got it, so I’d like to see factual stories like this pumped out more.
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1000 Died yesterday and nothing was mentioned, it was all about Johnson and Govt.....its how the media work these days.

The biggest issue is lack of testing, until that's sorted these cases will continue .
 
pauldj42 said:
Have a look at the breakdown of the deaths:
Of the 866 recorded in England only 117 were recorded as happening yesterday, the remainder were from across the last week and a few from March.

Still very shocking, but also why looking at 1 day in isolation can be confusing.
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The numbers could be explained better
 
I live fairly adjacent to a local 'beauty spot' and on any other bank holiday, basking in sunshine, the road I live on would be rammed with vehicles of visitors to the lido... Happy to report, the road was empty and the same, relatively speaking, could be said of the lido... Doubt that will make the press as it doesn't fit the message that folk aren't listening to the 'rules'...
 
ColchesterFC said:
To put it simply - it doesn't. I wear gloves when I go for our weekly shop. I drive to the supermarket, get out of the car and then put the gloves on. I get my trolley, join the queue and then go in to the supermarket to get whatever we need using the scan as you shop handset. Once I've finished I go to the checkout and take off one of my gloves so that I can use my free (ungloved) hand to get my wallet out and pay for my shopping. I then use the other hand to push the trolley to the car, unlock the car using my ungloved hand, and unload the shopping with my other hand. Once I've unloaded I'll take my trolley back and then take the other glove off and bin them both. When I get home I unload the shopping, unpack anything that has plastic packaging, wipe everything down, wash my hands and then put it away. And then wash my hands again. Maybe I'm going overboard with the precautions but I'd rather do that than risk passing the virus on to Mrs Colch who is at higher risk due to her asthma.
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However I'll keep the gloves on, I have already pre taken my credit card out before leaving and placing at easy access.

Scan as shop etc

When back at car gloves off take shopping into boot. Return trolly

I have hand gel in car (dad managed to get me some 85% proof from some chemist) so quick spray of that

I Dettol my steering wheel etc when I get home anyways

Unload shopping , wash hands. Shower and change into home clothes

Other time I'll use gloves is for fuel . Get the credit card out in car and use etc

I have a pair of leather gloves I use to press to get into work carpark .. they get sprayed down when I get home.

Prob doesn't do anything
 
triple_bogey said:
Oh please......

If there's anyone to blame, blame our leader. Blame the general public for not adhering to the staying indoors lock down.
Didn't the police just this week break up over 500+ house parties? That was just in Manchester alone.
We the UK as a country should be prepared for things like this. But instead we think we live in this perfect bubble and things won't affect us. Jesus, didn't the country come to a standstill when it snowed?

There's plenty of reports, China notified the WHO 31st Dec 2019, the WHO put out a statement around mid Jan for the world to brace itself. What was the UK talking/tweeting about around Jan/Feb? A gay presenter and one that committed suicide (RIP).

The WHO had reported that Preliminary investigations have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission. So they wasn't 100% sure at the time. For all they knew it could had been unusually high cases of the flu.
Reason why the WHO damned Trump over the flights from China was Trump was only banning chinese people. The Covid_19 infects all races. It doesn't discriminate.

So by what you're saying, the US should be held accountable for the Swine Flu circa 2009.....you go research that and see how many cases and deaths there.

This virus could had started anywhere, its up to the country, its government and its people how to handle it together instead of passing blame.
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This virus could have started anywhere! We know where it started and it was dealt with in the usual Chinese way by secrecy and crush those trying to tell the truth.
Chinese doctors and others who've mysteriously disappeared will testify to that but for some reason they can't!
As they say you can fool some of the people some of the time, so if you want to defend what comes out of a abhorrent state like China and a WHO who spend the vast majority of funding on Jollie's around the world, feel free to do so.
I have said all I'm saying on this.
 
So where do we go from here?
It looks as though the Government is contemplating a partial lifting of the lockdown in the next 4 - 6 weeks.
Still keeping social distancing in place & limits on numbers of people admitted to all premises.

The economy is going to be in a right state after all of this.
No realistic chance of a vaccine for 18 months to 2 years.
How about sport in general & obviously our sport?
Will we be allowed back out with restrictions or will courses remain shut?
My club, possible like most can probably withstand a 3 month lay off, but if this goes on past this summer, then I fear not many clubs would survive.
 
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