Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

pauldj42 said:
A cat in Belgium, Dog in Japan and a couple of Dogs in China, all owners had been tested positive for it as well.

Apparently cats are very prone to carrying the coronavirus, but the 4 above according to reports were all positive for Covid-19.
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Apologies for not being clear in my question, I meant did you know if the animals died of it or recovered from it? Was it allowed to run its course or were they put to sleep prior to any outcome?
 
Hacker Khan said:
Well the existing game was tens of thousands of deaths at the very best in this country, the globe mostly on lock down, the collapse of our economy and I'm going to bed not 100% sure our PM will be alive when I wake up. So I hope the new game will be slightly more fun to play...
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My concern is that if it can jump species will we ever be free from it? The human outbreak could be under control, while it is undetected in the animal kingdom, and then a new outbreak occurs due to animal to human transmission.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Apologies for not being clear in my question, I meant did you know if the animals died of it or recovered from it? Was it allowed to run its course or were they put to sleep prior to any outcome?
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Not sure mate about all of them, I read the dogs in China were released from quarantine then one of them died 2 days later and the owner refused an autopsy.
 
ColchesterFC said:
My concern is that if it can jump species will we ever be free from it? The human outbreak could be under control, while it is undetected in the animal kingdom, and then a new outbreak occurs due to animal to human transmission.
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You haven't been listening, we won't be free from it, same way we aren't free from the other corona viruses.
 
HappyHacker1 said:
You haven't been listening, we won't be free from it, same way we aren't free from the other corona viruses.
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I meant "free from it" in terms of having a vaccine or the population having herd immunity rather than it no longer existing. Is there a risk that if it can jump species then it is also more likely to mutate, rendering a vaccine or immunity pointless?
 
GreiginFife said:
I'm just amazed that intelligent people can be calling the CMO's actions a 'mistake'. Making a conscious decision to pack the fam in the car off to the weekend retreat, not one bit twice, is not a mistake. Even for you and I that can hardly be called a mistake. For someone fronting the Government advice every day, seeing hee own face on TV several times a day, saying the same thing over and over. To then consciously make the decision to jump in the motor for a trip of that length is no mistake.

We can all agree to disagree on what should happen about it, but come on guys, lets call this duck a duck, she ignored the self same rules she is in place to advise for enforcement. She didn't forget and she didn't have ignorance on her side. She chose, consciously, for what ever shite reason she gave, to ignore the rules.

I am sure thay if I forgot about insider trading rules at work and did a bit of back door investments, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on when the axe came down.
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This ^^^^^

I just can't buy that it was a "mistake" or an "error of judgement". To my mind there's only two possible explanations - either crass stupidity or crass arrogance. And to get to the position of CMO isn't usually achieved by someone stupid. But for someone at the forefront of a massive public campaign, to blatantly undermine that campaign had to put her in an invidious position. What should have happened is now immaterial. She's resigned. But it won't undo the damage.
 
ColchesterFC said:
I meant "free from it" in terms of having a vaccine or the population having herd immunity rather than it no longer existing. Is there a risk that if it can jump species then it is also more likely to mutate, rendering a vaccine or immunity pointless?
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Have a read up of antigenic shift and antigenic drift. Whether it applies to how the virus got from bats to humans, and from humans to lions/dogs/cats you'd have to look elsewhere but it does explain mutating viruses.
 
Jacko_G said:
She has just resigned
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backwoodsman said:
This ^^^^^

I just can't buy that it was a "mistake" or an "error of judgement". To my mind there's only two possible explanations - either crass stupidity or crass arrogance. And to get to the position of CMO isn't usually achieved by someone stupid. But for someone at the forefront of a massive public campaign, to blatantly undermine that campaign had to put her in an invidious position. What should have happened is now immaterial. She's resigned. But it won't undo the damage.
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There is no damage, storm in a teacup, it'll be yesterday's news tomorrow, PM is in hospital is the new big story, after that there'll be another. Hancock when asked about it just passed on it as a Scotgov concern. Some people were flaunting rules, most were adhering, it'll continue that way no matter what political leaders and their CMOs say or do. Nobody was hanging on her (CMO's) every word in a media absolutely saturated with cv19 news and stories 24/7. The same message to stay in is everywhere. I think most of us up here are following this crisis mainly at UK level, I am anyway.
 
Jacko_G said:
She has just resigned
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It’s the right decision, but it shouldn’t have taken the amount of public outcry to force the decision, it should have been a quicker and immediate act, so that what was being demanded by officials to the public was seen to be serious and not to be taken lightly.
 
Fish said:
It’s the right decision, but it shouldn’t have taken the amount of public outcry to force the decision, it should have been a quicker and immediate act, so that what was being demanded by officials to the public was seen to be serious and not to be taken lightly.
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I would be interested to know if you think that the Prince of Wales and Scottish Secretary should also resign from public duty for doing something 100 times more stupid and dangerous than Calderwood.

IE.... travel the length of the UK whilst knowingly carrying the virus from London to Highlands and Dumfries. I wonder how many folk did they infect on route.?

Good summary from Peter Bell https://peterabell.scot/2020/04/06/because-we-can/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
 
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JustOne said:
Of your two answers...

You test your front line nurse, he/she does not have it... and then he/she goes to work and comes home with a sore throat...???

or gets it and potentially spreads it around a bit.

I understand the antigen testing in terms of developing a better/quicker/cheaper/possibly more efficient test but surely you'd need to test the entire country? and isn't it too early to be worrying about that right now?
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It is always the case that people who test negative can later get the disease. But you will get some back to work rather than sitting at home wasting resource.

The antibody testing will need to be very widespread. The issue is the timing. If you have people reasonably believed to have had Covid, but unconfirmed, test them. If epidemiologists believe that there are large numbers of people in the population likely to have been infected, do some large scale sampling in specific areas to test the hypothesis. Eventually, though, almost everybody will need to be tested.
 
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