Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[DanFST]

A lot of those who passed yesterday did so for reasons unrelated to coronavirus. They still passed away but of course were not included in the daily CV figures. Don’t know how the total figure for all deaths yesterday compares with a typical day at this time of year.

Typically around 1500 a day. So 50% more due to covid currently, 2200+.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

A lot of those who passed yesterday did so for reasons unrelated to coronavirus. They still passed away but of course were not included in the daily CV figures. Don’t know how the total figure for all deaths yesterday compares with a typical day at this time of year.

ONS figures are for England and Wales only and compare to all dates on website.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Typically around 1500 a day. So 50% more due to covid currently, 2200+.

Is it 50% more though, how many would of died anyway, that’s why it’s difficult taking a one day snap shot.

How many of the 1800 in a week due to Influenza/Pneumonia will now be Covid-19? etc.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Just wondering what people's thoughts on deliveries from online companies were.

Are you still ordering any old tosh and getting it delivered, or are you keeping it to essentials only? I'm trying to keep it to essentials only but have a real hankering to start spending money.

Daughter wanted to spend some of her birthday money on a kilo of sweets from amazon. But I said no as I didn't see that as a reason for someone to have to travel to deliver something. Then again I ordered some headphones for when I go on a jog the other day so I'm probably being a bit hypocritical.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Is it 50% more though, how many would of died anyway, that’s why it’s difficult taking a one day snap shot.

How many of the 1800 in a week due to Influenza/Pneumonia will now be Covid-19? etc.

We wont know the answer to that I suspect. The numbers are already skewed as if you die whilst having covid 19 then you are classed as dying of it. That is wonky and inaccurate to me but it is how they are doing it. Perhaps it is part of the armoury to keep people inside, to exaggerate the figures this way?

Are post mortems happening now or not? If so, are numbers altered if the virus is not deemed to be the actual cause of death? I suspect not. Fear is a powerful tool in all of this.

 

[BubbaP]

The daily figure is mainly there for the trajectory, have a read at the link in post
https://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/t...is-it-has-it-affected-you.104530/post-2146011
for some comparisons with last year from Italy.

The other factor is the numbers of beds/ventilators : other areas have reached the point where they can't treat people they think they can save. In a "normal" year, the types may be more spread out.

 

[williamalex1]

They don't build temp hostpitals and morgues , shut down most of the economy , every year for the normal flu outbreaks

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We wont know the answer to that I suspect. The numbers are already skewed as if you die whilst having covid 19 then you are classed as dying of it. That is wonky and inaccurate to me but it is how they are doing it. Perhaps it is part of the armoury to keep people inside, to exaggerate the figures this way?

Are post mortems happening now or not? If so, are numbers altered if the virus is not deemed to be the actual cause of death? I suspect not. Fear is a powerful tool in all of this.

I think it’s been posted on here already about how autopsy’s report and why.

 

[Hobbit]

Are we losing our perspective or have any idea on the number of people that die everyday in the UK?

This isn’t meant to distract from the crisis we face but I was quite shocked at seeing today’s figure of 708 dying in the last 24hrs.

I looked up how many die on a daily basis in the UK and found the figures from the ONS for England and Wales up until week 12 (20th March) this year. These figures are for deaths registered, hence why they are only up to 20th March:

The provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 20 March 2020 (week 12) was 10,645; this represents a decrease of 374 deaths registered compared with the previous week (week 11).

The average number of deaths for the corresponding week over the previous five years was 10,573; this means that the overall number of deaths in week 12 of 2020 was slightly higher than previous years.

103 deaths involving COVID-19 occurred in week 12, during the same period 1,841 deaths involved Influenza or pneumonia.

On average over 1,500 die a day in England and Wales, how many extra we are losing to Covid-19 I don’t know.

Not quite sure what to make of those figures apart from I/we take a lot of things for granted, our NHS is constantly under pressure regardless and sadly that’s a lot of grieving and hurting families out there.

If you're going to look up figures for the same week last year, I'd suggest that you look them up for the same week over several years to get a clearer picture. For example, if you look up how many died of flu each year you'll see some very different numbers. Some winter flu's are a nasty sniffle whilst others are killers.

And then there's also the weather. If this week in any given year is in the middle of a very cold week, more will die. Equally, if a particular week is very warm, the numbers of deaths will drop.

Are the Covid numbers over egged? The number of ITU and general hospital beds taken up by the virus will be a good indicator. And from a previous indicator, i.e. 50% of all Covid patients that are in ITU will die gives a measure of what is to come.

Is it too early to draw solid conclusions for what will happen in the UK? In isolation, yes. But just have a look at Italy and Spain. Will the UK not mirror what's gone on before elsewhere? Why wouldn't it. What is so special about Brits that would make anyone think they won't see what's gone on elsewhere previously.

 

[Hobbit]

4 sperate cases of it in the village, different families. Some Spanish, some English. No connection to the family that sneaked down from Madrid last weekend.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

4 sperate cases of it in the village, different families. Some Spanish, some English. No connection to the family that sneaked down from Madrid last weekend.

That's worrying Bri. Stay safe mate.

 

[Slime]

The plunging footfall [down by 90%+] is, for me, an endorsement of Sadiq sticking to his guns... If team tory wanted the tube to stay fully open to appease its paymasters... Then restoring its funding, from Westminster, would've been a good first step...

Wrong thread?

 

[BubbaP]

FB is awash with videos, mainly from London area showing big disregard to distancing etc.- of course no idea how genuine.
Also the cycling society who had organised a big ride plus fish n chips - apparently since cancelled after outcry

 

[MegaSteve]

Wrong thread?

Best ask the person who's post I was responding to... Difficult to say with so many covering the same ground...

 

[Beezerk]

FB is awash with videos, mainly from London area showing big disregard to distancing etc.- of course no idea how genuine.
Also the cycling society who had organised a big ride plus fish n chips - apparently since cancelled after outcry

It's the central Republic of London though, surely you know their lives are worth 20 of us commoners ??

 

[Fish]

FB is awash with videos, mainly from London area showing big disregard to distancing etc.- of course no idea how genuine.
Also the cycling society who had organised a big ride plus fish n chips - apparently since cancelled after outcry

I’m in London daily, all over from Purley, Croydon through SE, SW, W and the City, the outskirts are quieter on the roads but still busy, the West End & City is very much void of traffic, but plenty of cyclists all over no doubt taking advantage of the quieter roads in their green Lycra ?

People are queuing on high streets, these queues are obviously very long due to distancing, but the worrying things I see, and mainly when I’m cutting through housing estates, is the amount of children & youths out on their own playing and just hanging around.

Most large construction sites in the city are now closed, there’s still a few private large house conversations going on, but I’m noticing they’re slowing closing also, it’s like a ripple effect of the seriousness sinking in, but I’ve not seen large groups of people anywhere in South, West or Central London and I’m in and around it every day.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If you're going to look up figures for the same week last year, I'd suggest that you look them up for the same week over several years to get a clearer picture. For example, if you look up how many died of flu each year you'll see some very different numbers. Some winter flu's are a nasty sniffle whilst others are killers.

And then there's also the weather. If this week in any given year is in the middle of a very cold week, more will die. Equally, if a particular week is very warm, the numbers of deaths will drop.

Are the Covid numbers over egged? The number of ITU and general hospital beds taken up by the virus will be a good indicator. And from a previous indicator, i.e. 50% of all Covid patients that are in ITU will die gives a measure of what is to come.

Is it too early to draw solid conclusions for what will happen in the UK? In isolation, yes. But just have a look at Italy and Spain. Will the UK not mirror what's gone on before elsewhere? Why wouldn't it. What is so special about Brits that would make anyone think they won't see what's gone on elsewhere previously.

Not saying there’s anything special about Brits or playing down the numbers or the pandemic, etc, just, in my own head trying to get my head round the numbers, like I put I was shocked today, but if last year during the same week or any average day last year the news headline was 1500 people had died in one day I think the Nation would of been shocked.

So at 56yrs Old and worried about mine and my family’s mortality I just wondered if we get wrapped up in our own little world and forget the realities of life at times.

In years to come will we look at covid-19 as just another type of flu and it’ll be accounted as another influenza death etc? I don’t know.

The figures on the ONS can be scrutinised to the Nth degree, I just chose a snap shot.

 

[drdel]

If you're going to look up figures for the same week last year, I'd suggest that you look them up for the same week over several years to get a clearer picture. For example, if you look up how many died of flu each year you'll see some very different numbers. Some winter flu's are a nasty sniffle whilst others are killers.

And then there's also the weather. If this week in any given year is in the middle of a very cold week, more will die. Equally, if a particular week is very warm, the numbers of deaths will drop.

Are the Covid numbers over egged? The number of ITU and general hospital beds taken up by the virus will be a good indicator. And from a previous indicator, i.e. 50% of all Covid patients that are in ITU will die gives a measure of what is to come.

Is it too early to draw solid conclusions for what will happen in the UK? In isolation, yes. But just have a look at Italy and Spain. Will the UK not mirror what's gone on before elsewhere? Why wouldn't it. What is so special about Brits that would make anyone think they won't see what's gone on elsewhere previously.

The unknown is the number who may have died had nothing been done - Sweden may provide insight.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

FB is awash with videos, mainly from London area showing big disregard to distancing etc.- of course no idea how genuine.
Also the cycling society who had organised a big ride plus fish n chips - apparently since cancelled after outcry

I did see that cycling one.

I did think they must have been trying to wind someone up and clearly it’s worked. Mega backlash.

Around here I have been sat in the garden today and you could hear plenty of motorbikes out. Popped to Tesco to do a weekly shop and a group of 3 went past.

Clearly they don’t give a ....

 

[bobmac]

I’m in London daily, all over from Purley, Croydon through SE, SW, W and the City, the outskirts are quieter on the roads but still busy, the West End & City is very much void of traffic, but plenty of cyclists all over no doubt taking advantage of the quieter roads in their green Lycra ?

People are queuing on high streets, these queues are obviously very long due to distancing, but the worrying things I see, and mainly when I’m cutting through housing estates, is the amount of children & youths out on their own playing and just hanging around.

Most large construction sites in the city are now closed, there’s still a few private large house conversations going on, but I’m noticing they’re slowing closing also, it’s like a ripple effect of the seriousness sinking in, but I’ve not seen large groups of people anywhere in South, West or Central London and I’m in and around it every day.

Have you noticed any difference to the air quality ?