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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

China and it's successful annexation of Covid-19 was built around mass testing and we knew about that in January.

That's a joke. The disease originated in China, they tried to bury it from the world and their own citizens. They said they had it under control. The tests they sent to Spain don't work. The deaths they've reported are a joke, as you can now see everywhere else in the world, with better living conditions and healthcare systems. You don't build numerous mass morgues for 3000 deaths over a couple month period.

How do you actually test nhs staff? A large chunk don't show symptoms and it takes a while for the results. Do you test them every day? Every week?
 
we should never accept the govt are doing their best; we should always question their actions (or inactions) & hold them to account.

In normal times , yes. But in national crisis like this, it is different.
Someone has to do something, as opposed to having the luxury to criticise.
It's very easy to be a Shitstirrer General.
 
You've changed the goal posts. My respomse was to question of 1 test, in which case I'd choose the pm.

Obviously I'd rather we could test all in the NHS but that's only viable with a antibody test as others simply testing every NHS member with any symptom would likely result in countless members being tested on multiple occasions and returning negative responses. That's not the best use of them either.
The PM has plenty of deputies that can step in.
Be honest have we missed Boris for a week?
Does a doctor have several people who can step in for him?
So I would choose the NHS worker first.
 
That's a joke. The disease originated in China, they tried to bury it from the world and their own citizens. They said they had it under control. The tests they sent to Spain don't work. The deaths they've reported are a joke, as you can now see everywhere else in the world, with better living conditions and healthcare systems. You don't build numerous mass morgues for 3000 deaths over a couple month period.

How do you actually test nhs staff? A large chunk don't show symptoms and it takes a while for the results. Do you test them every day? Every week?
South Korea and Germany are the 2 other nations which have hit the ground running with mass testing right at the very beginning and they have had better control of the virus than many Central European countries. At 100,000 tests per day earlier in our outbreak we could have tested a lot more NHS staff and people showing symptoms. it wouldn't stop the spread but it would help control it.
 
You've changed the goal posts. My respomse was to question of 1 test, in which case I'd choose the pm.

Obviously I'd rather we could test all in the NHS but that's only viable with a antibody test as others simply testing every NHS member with any symptom would likely result in countless members being tested on multiple occasions and returning negative responses. That's not the best use of them either.
We’re talking about different things, I was replying to your point re how a Dr may not want to know etc etc.

FYI in my understanding the antibody test is post infection.
 
In normal times , yes. But in national crisis like this, it is different.
Someone has to do something, as opposed to having the luxury to criticise.
It's very easy to be a Shitstirrer General.
No. Just because we’re in a crisis, doesn’t make them exempt from criticism.
 
The London Nightingale hospital is an amazing story, all be it, one place I would rather not have to book into. But a massive thumbs up to all that helped it happen and hope it saves many lives.

More ones have already been put into action, now announced Bristol and Harrogate is to have them:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52141224

Brutal.
 
Just an off the cuff thought. You have a magic wand. You decide to test every Medic today. That’s everyone happy. Bearing in mind where they work, are you going to test them again in 2 days time and 2 days after that and 2 days after that and...

C’mon, where is the solution to this argument?
 
If she has symptoms of the Coronavirus and is tested and her results are negative, should she be still working with sick people?
Mild symptoms, such as those exhibited by Hancock and Johnson etc, then yes. We all get colds from time to time. I've never had a day off work in my life because of a sniffle, neither has my wife. But anyone showing a dry persistent cough and/or a temp is now told to self isolate.. If it's not corona then I'm absolutely sure that she, and the vast majority of people would prefer to be at work, helping those who cannot help themselves.
 
Just an off the cuff thought. You have a magic wand. You decide to test every Medic today. That’s everyone happy. Bearing in mind where they work, are you going to test them again in 2 days time and 2 days after that and 2 days after that and...

C’mon, where is the solution to this argument?
Test those at home, self isolating because they think they or their family member may have it
 
We’re talking about different things, I was replying to your point re how a Dr may not want to know etc etc.

FYI in my understanding the antibody test is post infection.
Yeah, the antibody will simply shown of you've had it. I'd imagine a very large amount of the NHS staff will have done. Meaning once they've been tested once the rest can be testing more vigorously if they shown any signs. Imo that's the most efficient way.
 
South Korea and Germany are the 2 other nations which have hit the ground running with mass testing right at the very beginning and they have had better control of the virus than many Central European countries. At 100,000 tests per day earlier in our outbreak we could have tested a lot more NHS staff and people showing symptoms. it wouldn't stop the spread but it would help control it.

Death rates on the same increase daily as we were now tho. South Korea are the exception. But what happens to them? They never let another person leave or enter?
 
Yeah, the antibody will simply shown of you've had it. I'd imagine a very large amount of the NHS staff will have done. Meaning once they've been tested once the rest can be testing more vigorously if they shown any signs. Imo that's the most efficient way.
Yep. Re this & hobbits post. It’s clear that whatever your viewpoint that testing availability & also testing good practice aren’t really fit for purpose.
I read somewhere that the antibody test takes 28 days to come back with a result ?.
 
Just an off the cuff thought. You have a magic wand. You decide to test every Medic today. That’s everyone happy. Bearing in mind where they work, are you going to test them again in 2 days time and 2 days after that and 2 days after that and...

C’mon, where is the solution to this argument?
Contact tracing will be used to target the testing. It won't capture every eventuality but it will begin to get more streamlined and allow for people to be isolated quicker. The BIA have just done a webinar and the tracking app which is being debated by an Oxford Uni and Nuffield is under serious review to be used in conjunction with more mass testing.
 
I see now that food shops have reopened they are temp testing anyone who wants to go food shopping here, over 37.5 and not only do you not get in the shop but you are taken to isolation/quarantine centre & cannot return home

How do you reckon that would go down in the UK?
I saw a piece on the BBC website about something similar, using an app, and I suspect it will be the way forward to enable a loosening of restrictions. My BiL works out in China and he operated with this, may still do. In effect you have an app on your phone. You open it every day and identify if you have had the virus, what your daily temperature is, if you have any of the symptons. If your temp is high, you show symptons, then the app shows red, or whatever, and you can not go out from that point for 7 days. The app also has a tracker enabled and so it automatically notifies everyone else with the app who you came into close contact with that you need to self isolate. Their apps go red at this stage. If you are clear however your app stays green, or whatever colour, and you show this to access shops etc. The police can also ask to see your phone if they see you out to confirm you are acting correctly.

It requires use by all but if that is the only method of accessing shops, going out etc then everyone with a phone will have to do it. The libertarians will squeal but at the moment there are bigger issues so we have to suck it up.

There are some complications to this but it is one way forward and at the moment I would say that anything that can bring us back to a semblance of normality is a good thing. Long winded answer but I would say that after another week of lockdown the public would take your hand off for this.

(just seen the post above, doh. Anyway, a version has worked successfully in China already)
 
Yep. Re this & hobbits post. It’s clear that whatever your viewpoint that testing availability & also testing good practice aren’t really fit for purpose.
I read somewhere that the antibody test takes 28 days to come back with a result ?.
I think the 28 days is the period, after infection, when a person's antibodies will be fully established. The test done then will have best chance of s true result.
As for testing for the virus and the question of 2 days then test, then 2 days then test etc. Point taken on that. But initially all NHS frontline should be tested. Then anyone with similar symptoms ( could be ordinary cold).
Also, anyone who reports that they have been in contact with someone with symptoms ( household At present they isolate, but they may not have it. A ( further) test would determine whether they would stay at work.
But, yes, testing the general public on the 13th doesn't mean they haven't got it on the 15th. So, a meaningless exercise in terms of best use of resources.
In the case of securing mass NHS staff testing,I just hope that Boris is doing a "Action this day" type of governing in respect of cutting through any red tape, bureaucracy etc
 
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