YandaB
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No, I don' think that is correct, most people that die will have underlying conditions, many people will still need ventilation to get them through it. Here is a good explainer:
Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?
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No, I don' think that is correct, most people that die will have underlying conditions, many people will still need ventilation to get them through it. Here is a good explainer:
SwingsitlikeHogan
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User20204
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I'm not so sure how many understand the self isolation thing. Read a guy saying he had no symptoms but had decided to self isolate as he had underlying health issues. It seems to me they(he) think a couple of weeks in the house and everything will be rosy in the garden.
My understanding of it all is, if you have under lying health issues you are at high risk for the duration not just a couple of weeks stuck in the house.
My understanding of it all is, if you have under lying health issues you are at high risk for the duration not just a couple of weeks stuck in the house.
ColchesterFC
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Yep that's my understanding as well. Mrs Colch has severe asthma, so is in one of the at risk groups, so she's isolating at home with the kids. I'm offshore but will also be isolating with them once I get back home. We've decided that it will be 4 weeks as an absolute minimum and in all likelihood will be 12 weeks or more.
Hacker Khan
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From reading a few posts on here and also on social media regarding going on holiday or not, it is amazing how many people do not understand the concept of sunk costs and the way it can skew sensible decision making.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Quite - if I have spent £2000 on a holiday in Greece in first week of June and it's cancelled, and for whatever reason I don't get my money back - all that I have actually lost is my holiday in Greece. Come second week of June my bank balance would be £2000 down whether I went on holiday or not. In current circumstances I will simply accept the disappointment of not having a holiday in Greece. But that is all it is. A disappointment. And I have other bigger things to worry about that will make that disappointment pretty easy to put aside.
Thats all well and good in business, or to adults who can understand the logic.
What about the families who save every penny to take their kids on a holiday only for it to be cancelled. if they don’t get the money back then that’s either kids gutted or the family are 2k off as they somehow get the money together but struggle elsewhere.
i accept right now that a holiday is a luxury, but imo it’s fanciful to not accept that some people will take risks where finances are concerned.
Bunkermagnet
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Sadly you are very wrong. People are losing their jobs and the economy is going to be hurt very hard.
Hacker Khan
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This is not to do with getting money back as everyone should get the money back if they can not go due to the current circumstances, so I am not saying people should not get their money back and apologies if it came across like that. But as you know, the whole point of a sunk cost is that you don't get it back whether you go on holiday or not if you can't get a refund fro the company you booked it with. So when people say they have paid and despite all advice not to go, say they will as they have already paid, that is my issue.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Exactly. It's very disappointing I know, but we are heading for the land of very distressing...we really need to understand - and explain to children where that's needed - the difference between disappointing and distressing - between what really matters and what doesn't.
If I find that I can't play my course all summer then that is going to be disappointing - but equally it's not the end of the world. All I've lost is a load of golf. It's sunk cost. I've not lost money - I've lost golf. I can cope with that.
Im sure long term my kids appreciate they’re are a lot of people worse of than us. That doesn’t imo lessen their disappointment about our holiday being cancelled. Nor should it. I don’t really live by the mantra of “there are people worse off than is, so count yourself lucky”
My point was simply that the term sunk costs isn’t really one you’d attribute to this scenario, at least not with children.
That’s fair.
I totally agree that those saying they will just go need to give their heads a wobble. Especially as the one in question had some strong opinions on people at apparent health risks not following the advice they were given.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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..and in the same vein - if you employ - say - a cleaner for a day a week - a tutor - or a piano or other instrument teacher - a window cleaner or gardener once a month - if you are still getting your normal income then consider paying these individuals... you are not getting their services - but you would have spent the money anyway - and you are helping to keep your cleaner/window cleaner/gardener/teacher and their family going through this time.
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Wolf
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Sports Direct gyms , have just announced as a result of Covid19 any staff on Zero hours contracts will no longer have any shifts from Monday so there's a load of jobs literally just disappeared as thats how most of their staff work with the odd exception and managers.
Any permanent staff that fall into the at risk category have been sent home but are having to take the isolation period out of their holiday entitlements then go on SSP only as they don't pay sick pay. Any staff that may fall ill and then have to isolate will be made to do the same..
Yet depsite this they're keeping gyms open Mon-Fri 6am-10pm, Sat & Sun 8am-8pm.. The problem this causes Mrs Wolf is she is one of only 4 permanently employed staff still able to work at her gym so between them they've got to cover all shifts for 7 days, which is difficult because by industry guidelines they have to alway have 2 people in the building so all 4 of them would have to in theory work 7 days a week for the foreseeable future to stay open.
Any permanent staff that fall into the at risk category have been sent home but are having to take the isolation period out of their holiday entitlements then go on SSP only as they don't pay sick pay. Any staff that may fall ill and then have to isolate will be made to do the same..
Yet depsite this they're keeping gyms open Mon-Fri 6am-10pm, Sat & Sun 8am-8pm.. The problem this causes Mrs Wolf is she is one of only 4 permanently employed staff still able to work at her gym so between them they've got to cover all shifts for 7 days, which is difficult because by industry guidelines they have to alway have 2 people in the building so all 4 of them would have to in theory work 7 days a week for the foreseeable future to stay open.
Robster59
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I totally agree. There is absolutely no earthly reason why he should refer to it as the Chinese virus other than a racist attempt to deflect the attention from his own inadequacies and misleading information. The man bounces around like a rubber ball and contradicts himself on numerous occasions but continues to get away with it, which does, sadly, say an awful lot about how insular Americans are.
There's an interesting article here on the timeline of Trumps comments on Covid-19.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/timeline-trump-covid19-responses/
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And also...as posted elsewhere Mrs Hogie works for a major Cancer Charity (on their Helpline). The charity is very concerned about the fall-off in income they are likely to see with so many events being cancelled - both their own fundraising but also all of those events where participants raise money for charities.
At this time the NHS and the country as a whole is going to depend massively on the health charities taking a load off the NHS to enable the NHS to do what it is going to have to do. In my wife's case the team she is in has seen a huge increase in calls to the Helpline as patients struggle to get through to their cancer nursing team - the nurses are either swamped by calls, or response is being limited as some specialist cancer nurses are getting training for what where they will be deployed.
But the charities cannot survive on fresh air - and at the moment it looks like my wife will get paid until end April after which there is no guarantee. Now it is quite likely that my wife and at least some of her her colleagues will continue to work on the Helpline unpaid if that is what transpires.
So my exhortation is that if you were sponsoring someone in an event and they were doing it for a charity - then donate or give them the sponsorship money in any case. If you weren't then perhaps consider - if you can afford it - doing a donation (one off or regular) to one or more of the health charities - specifically those that provide helpline support - given they need to keep going to help the NHS cope.
My wife is in remission from breast cancer - you can probably work out the charity she works for. But any will do.
At this time the NHS and the country as a whole is going to depend massively on the health charities taking a load off the NHS to enable the NHS to do what it is going to have to do. In my wife's case the team she is in has seen a huge increase in calls to the Helpline as patients struggle to get through to their cancer nursing team - the nurses are either swamped by calls, or response is being limited as some specialist cancer nurses are getting training for what where they will be deployed.
But the charities cannot survive on fresh air - and at the moment it looks like my wife will get paid until end April after which there is no guarantee. Now it is quite likely that my wife and at least some of her her colleagues will continue to work on the Helpline unpaid if that is what transpires.
So my exhortation is that if you were sponsoring someone in an event and they were doing it for a charity - then donate or give them the sponsorship money in any case. If you weren't then perhaps consider - if you can afford it - doing a donation (one off or regular) to one or more of the health charities - specifically those that provide helpline support - given they need to keep going to help the NHS cope.
My wife is in remission from breast cancer - you can probably work out the charity she works for. But any will do.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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If Trump really wanted precision or accuracy in his referencing it then he could have called it the Wuhan Virus. But you know what - that just wouldn't cut it for him - and it doesn't take much to work out why
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Hacker Khan
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Saw a good quote the other day about pandemics in that in the run up to its peak most initiatives are seen as unnecessary, panicking and draconian and then after its peak looking back, most of the initiatives that were taken are seen as inadequate.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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..but sadly we can suspect what the current doubters and sceptics will say if the suppression measures are successful and the 'explosion' in cases doesn't happen as it might...
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Would it be acceptable to contract Covid-19 and then go and cough all over Piers Morgan? Asking for a friend.