Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Lord Tyrion]

I live at the coast. Back in lockdown 1, the beach and sea front were rammed with folk who had driven there for a nice walk. Eventually they closed the car parks and publicised the closures to stop the day trippers.

Lesson learned you would think, but no, car parks are currently open and the place was rammed over the weekend.

It's a tough one with the current guidelines. We love that walk, park near to the leisure centre, walk along the wide promenade, go into Whitley and loop back. All outdoors, good for the head to get out, easy to space. We haven't done it since mid December and would not do it under the current circumstances. However, I understand why people do and based on the info we keep being given, transmission there is likely to be close to zero.

Close those car parks, they are massive along there and you stop it dead. It is within their power if they want to

 

[clubchamp98]

Same thing happening at my wife's school. Loads of parents claiming they are key workers so they can get free childcare. The school put a policy in place last week that anyone claiming to be a key worker needs to have proof of where they work, and that they are designated as key workers. Surprise surprise, a good proportion of them didn't provide any proof and their kids are now at home.

Two ways to go imo.
Vaccinate all adults involved with schools.
That way schools can operate as normal .( kids not affected according to the prof) and people can go to work if nessesary.

Just take key workers kids but the staff still need vaccinating.
If an accountant is a key worker so is a bin man / bus driver.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Two ways to go imo.
Vaccinate all adults involved with schools.
That way schools can operate as normal .( kids not affected according to the prof) and people can go to work if nessesary.

Just take key workers kids but the staff still need vaccinating.
If an accountant is a key worker so is a bin man / bus driver.

Both your latter examples are key workers tho? So don't understand that comment

 

[GB72]

Two ways to go imo.
Vaccinate all adults involved with schools.
That way schools can operate as normal .( kids not affected according to the prof) and people can go to work if nessesary.

Just take key workers kids but the staff still need vaccinating.
If an accountant is a key worker so is a bin man / bus driver.

Therein lies the problem though, the kids stand as much chance of bringing it home and spreading it through parents to their work etc. Keeping the schools shut is about more than keeping the teachers safe and they should be shut for as long as needed.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So the MIL is very right into the stats etc and working within the NHS - whilst right now things appear to be very bad they expect things to start to level out a bit more which will be a combination of the Tier 4 move and the end of the Xmas numbers etc

The Zoe App is as well starting to show a touch of a levelling out ableit weekend figures don’t help

But also they suspect that right now whilst the numbers are high there are less than what we would have seen last March if we were doing the same country wide testing

whilst it’s very hard to act positive throughout this whilst people are suffering and losing family members we do need to keep heads up and not be dragged down by the media and spend all day number crunching

The virus is awful - a lot of people catch it but a very small percentage die from it .
If they didn’t Flu tests would the numbers be the same ? I suspect so - it doesn’t help right now that we have both flu affecting people and Covid affecting people which is the reason for the NHS being flooded

People will need to get outside , go for walks , shop , work , travel - we all need to make our own personal judgments within the rules

There is just the three of us at home - my daughter goes to nursery because we are both working , I’m a key worker and my wife hasn’t been put on furlough, if our daughter catches it then it’s just me and the wife at risk - we can deal with that with our age and health bracket , we will also go out for our daily walks - we need them to keep ourselves going . But the FIL is shielding so the BIL etc are not going out to many places beyond a shop because they don’t want to put the FIL at risk. It’s all about personal responsibility within the rules - we will get through this , it’s not easy but we still need to keep our heads up and ignore the media trying to drag the country down and not get dragged into the negative about it all

And for people who are struggling or on their own - there are people out there you can talk too , go for a walk with - don’t lock yourself away

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Maybe. However as Chris Whitty repeatedly emphasised this morning. We should be staying at home unless we have to go out for essential needs or a short period of exercise. We should not be looking at the rules as defining what we can do - for us then to be able to decide what we would like to leave home to do within these limits.

At the moment it appears to me that many ask themselves - what can I do, rather than what do I absolutely need to do. As Whitty said - as far as is at all possible what I absolutely need to do at the moment is to stay at home.

Exactly this. The guidelines aren't the problem at all. The last paragraph above says it all. If you are perusing the guidelines for loopholes then you are doing as in the first sentence of that paragraph.
People doing that, are what is causing the existing guidelines being speculated about.

 

[Bdill93]

Schools arent shut. Limited capacity sure. But my school of 480 children still has 124 in school on a daily basis at present. In the March 2020 lockdown we had 46.

Key workers are now not only NHS and Emergency services, supermarkets and delivery drivers - but also "Steve" who walks the canal waters for Birmingham Council ensuring no issues..... Just one example of ours.

Not the parents fault - the companies fault.

 

[SaintHacker]

I really don't understand the thinking behind keepig nurseries open. My wife works in one and to be honest I'm terrified for her. Kids that age don't know how to distance, if they're feeling a bit down they just want a cuddle. Its all very well Whitty saying it doesn't affect that age group but what about the bloody staff? THey can still spread it round. Last time they stayed open for children who had key worker parents/guardians only, this time its a free for all. She's had mums phoning up saying can I bring little johnny back in as he's doing my head in at home! Its crazy.
Without going too poilitical I've supported the government through this whole thing up until now, this time I think they've lost the plot...

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I really don't understand the thinking behind keepig nurseries open. My wife works in one and to be honest I'm terrified for her. Kids that age don't know how to distance, if they're feeling a bit down they just want a cuddle. Its all very well Whitty saying it doesn't affect that age group but what about the bloody staff? THey can still spread it round. Last time they stayed open for children who had key worker parents/guardians only, this time its a free for all. She's had mums phoning up saying can I bring little johnny back in as he's doing my head in at home! Its crazy.
Without going too poilitical I've supported the government through this whole thing up until now, this time I think they've lost the plot...

Money , it's simple as that

If the nurseries were key workers only they would need much financial support..

Money is driving a lot of decisions

 

[Tashyboy]

I really don't understand the thinking behind keepig nurseries open. My wife works in one and to be honest I'm terrified for her. Kids that age don't know how to distance, if they're feeling a bit down they just want a cuddle. Its all very well Whitty saying it doesn't affect that age group but what about the bloody staff? THey can still spread it round. Last time they stayed open for children who had key worker parents/guardians only, this time its a free for all. She's had mums phoning up saying can I bring little johnny back in as he's doing my head in at home! Its crazy.
Without going too poilitical I've supported the government through this whole thing up until now, this time I think they've lost the plot...

This ?
Theres aspects of keeping the schools open I don’t understand. not don’t agree with, that’s different.
I totally understand that education is important and the “ need to keep schools open”. But at what cost to staff, and parents.
Boris had “every confidence” in keeping the schools open on Sunday. But they closed on Monday with the exception of Key workers. How’s that right. Now we have Chris Whitty a week later rightly saying “ stay at home”. It is a simple message, but that don’t seem to be the clear message from the powers that be.

Bottom line for Tash stay safe.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

This ?
Theres aspects of keeping the schools open I don’t understand. not don’t agree with, that’s different.
I totally understand that education is important and the “ need to keep schools open”. But at what cost to staff, and parents.
Boris had “every confidence” in keeping the schools open on Sunday. But they closed on Monday with the exception of Key workers. How’s that right. Now we have Chris Whitty a week later rightly saying “ stay at home”. It is a simple message, but that don’t seem to be the clear message from the powers that be.

Bottom line for Tash stay safe.

But if you listen to mr whitty he says nurserys should be open

So stay at home

Unless you don't have to

 

[Tashyboy]

But if you listen to mr whitty he says nurserys should be open

So stay at home

Unless you don't have to

having had two grandkids for the last three days and back again tonight. The five yr old learned a few years back that her index finger fits perfectly up to the second knuckle in her nose. I would hate to think where the “ stuck” contents of her nose End up when she was at the nursery. ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I wonder on how many who “insist” on taking or say they “need“ to take daily exercise were taking it this time last year?

Great for the health of the Nation if we are getting fitter, but I’m not sure we are.

Obviously this excludes the majority of Dog owners.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I really don't understand the thinking behind keepig nurseries open. My wife works in one and to be honest I'm terrified for her. Kids that age don't know how to distance, if they're feeling a bit down they just want a cuddle. Its all very well Whitty saying it doesn't affect that age group but what about the bloody staff? THey can still spread it round. Last time they stayed open for children who had key worker parents/guardians only, this time its a free for all. She's had mums phoning up saying can I bring little johnny back in as he's doing my head in at home! Its crazy.
Without going too poilitical I've supported the government through this whole thing up until now, this time I think they've lost the plot...

Because there a lot of families still working , front line workers , key workers etc

Many parents are still both working and when it comes it nursery age kids who need a lot of attention it’s very hard and prob for many impossible to work and look after a 1-4 year old child - and these kids aren’t at that home schooling age yet

That’s why they have kept nurseries open - it’s helping keeping people working who are having to still work.

Throughout this whole pandemic our nursery have had one potential case where a member of staff had to self isolate due to contact unrelated to the nursery

If it wasn’t a safe setting then they would be closed - if people are worried about working in one they then can go on furlough etc

It’s very hard to remove the personal experience and worries from it all

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Because there a lot of families still working , front line workers , key workers etc

Many parents are still both working and when it comes it nursery age kids who need a lot of attention it’s very hard and prob for many impossible to work and look after a 1-4 year old child - and these kids aren’t at that home schooling age yet

That’s why they have kept nurseries open - it’s helping keeping people working who are having to still work.

Throughout this whole pandemic our nursery have had one potential case where a member of staff had to self isolate due to contact unrelated to the nursery

If it wasn’t a safe setting then they would be closed - if people are worried about working in one they then can go on furlough etc

It’s very hard to remove the personal experience and worries from it all

With you here Phil

Eldest nursey has had since September just one parent test postive (last week) who's kid is negative so school hasn't shut

30 kids max 20 a session I think

Today is 7

Wife has been sending her in so far as it's good for her development but also with the twins being under 5 months it's hard to entertain her and look after them when I'm working

Fully support whatever she decides

 

[SaintHacker]

Because there a lot of families still working , front line workers , key workers etc

Many parents are still both working and when it comes it nursery age kids who need a lot of attention it’s very hard and prob for many impossible to work and look after a 1-4 year old child - and these kids aren’t at that home schooling age yet

That’s why they have kept nurseries open - it’s helping keeping people working who are having to still work.

Throughout this whole pandemic our nursery have had one potential case where a member of staff had to self isolate due to contact unrelated to the nursery

If it wasn’t a safe setting then they would be closed - if people are worried about working in one they then can go on furlough etc

It’s very hard to remove the personal experience and worries from it all

They all managed OK back in the spring, why is this ti,e round any different? And no they can't furlough their workers, because they have so may children in they need a full staff coverage to legally remain open.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I wonder on how many who “insist” on taking or say they “need“ to take daily exercise were taking it this time last year?

Great for the health of the Nation if we are getting fitter, but I’m not sure we are.

Obviously this excludes the majority of Dog owners.

Based on my entirely unscientific survey of walking the dog regularly, in lockdown 1 in spring the numbers out walking that never went out before was off the scale. Families were out in full, not just mum and dad. This time around it is back to us dog walkers and the occasional older couple who I see taking a regular walk. The fair weather walkers have largely disappeared. The weather has a lot to do with this of course but equally the novelty has long since worn off.

I think, like you, if the nation has maintained last April / May levels of outdoor walking, running, cycling then we would be better for it.

 

[Leftitshort]

Because there a lot of families still working , front line workers , key workers etc

Many parents are still both working and when it comes it nursery age kids who need a lot of attention it’s very hard and prob for many impossible to work and look after a 1-4 year old child - and these kids aren’t at that home schooling age yet

That’s why they have kept nurseries open - it’s helping keeping people working who are having to still work.

Throughout this whole pandemic our nursery have had one potential case where a member of staff had to self isolate due to contact unrelated to the nursery

If it wasn’t a safe setting then they would be closed - if people are worried about working in one they then can go on furlough etc

It’s very hard to remove the personal experience and worries from it all

working whilst home schooling! It’s impossible to do, especially from a final salary pension ivory tower.
How are my kids going to suffer, and those at exam age in future years because of this gap in their education?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

They all managed OK back in the spring, why is this ti,e round any different? And no they can't furlough their workers, because they have so may children in they need a full staff coverage to legally remain open.

Because more work places are open so less parents at home

 

[Leftitshort]

Because more work places are open so less parents at home

More work places open, because they realise if they shut the doors this time, they won’t open again. it’s not a case of furlough covering wages, what about lost income