Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Old Skier said:
Yep, Holland and Belgium have identified the same strain and —— there borders remain open into France. Very strange.
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Not strange at all... the above assumptions are correct! I also didn't hear that on the news this morning. You could be forgiven for thinking it is only the UK that has any restrictions in place.

Interestingly, (sticking to numbers, not political comment.)

26% of uk food is imported from the EU. (2019) (wish I could find the value)

Can't find % figures for food exports in opposite direction, but UK food and drink exports were worth £5.7bn in the first quarter of 2019.

You may or may not get that impression from the media....
 
Ethan said:
Because Holland and Belgium don't have this new more transmissible strain in the same quantities, presumably.

Edit: The Netherlands has identified one case.
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Good to know you have the inside informatio, the rest of us can only go by reports but no figures, hope this isn’t the BBC scaremongering

while Denmark, Italy and the Netherlands announced they had already detected it.

Great that Holland are that effective that they can pick out just the one.
 
MiL and BiL have accepted and are OK that we can't be with them for Christmas...

My son is less happy that we have can't have him visiting us in the next day or two - even very briefly. In fact he is very upset. He wasn't going to be with us for Christmas but was hoping to have a day or two home with us (sleeping outdoors in out garden studio) in our three household bubble as his life in Sheffield is miserable and very difficult. He despises the government and doesn't trust a word they say so why - he says - should he follow their rules. But we have simply told him that because he is in a Tier4 area - and whether we like the government or not - that we as a family have a responsibility to ourselves and to others to minimise the risk of transmission between us as individuals and between our respective areas of the country.

This has been a very difficult and upsetting message for my wife to put to him as we know that his life is currently very difficult and that he has suffered mentally quite badly over the last few months - and that a day or two with us would be very good for him - but we are just trying to follow the rules. Because if we don't follow them to the letter then we lose the right to be critical of anyone else doing their own rule-bending.

That said - and as is said in other contexts - we cannot change the way others choose to think and act - but we can keep our own side of the street clean.

I will not comment myself on what I think of those leading us...I have watched for over a week without commenting on any matter and will continue to maintain that disdainful silence (oops - I might have just commented...)
 
pauljames87 said:
They need to work out logistics with the EU

ATM we are accepting lorries in but they might refuse to come as can't get back so need to get it acceptable for food lorries to go back

Talks about using hs1 services to run food supplies into England and then empty back to France etc
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Tbf with the tail backs already in Kent prior to the announcement Due to road closures in Calais, The 48 hour ban on trucks Going back to France isn’t really a problem for any trucks that do import. They’re gonna be waiting a while to get back!
 
Old Skier said:
Good to know you have the inside informatio, the rest of us can only go by reports but no figures, hope this isn’t the BBC scaremongering

while Denmark, Italy and the Netherlands announced they had already detected it.

Great that Holland are that effective that they can pick out just the one.
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It was reported in the media that there was one case in NL. With a new strain of high transmissibility, acting fast is the right thing to do. It is likely that it is around more countries, but they need internal actions to deal with those cases. No point in letting more in to make matters worse. This is precisely what the UK should have done, but failed to do, at the very start of the pandemic.
 
Is your son not in Sheffield? If he is then I didn't think that is Tier 4.
 
Papas1982 said:
Tbf with the tail backs already in Kent prior to the announcement Due to road closures in Calais, The 48 hour ban on trucks Going back to France isn’t really a problem for any trucks that do import. They’re gonna be waiting a while to get back!
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Got to feel for the poor HGV drivers stuck in the middle of all of this, must be a horrible situation to be in.
 
MetalMickie said:
Is your son not in Sheffield? If he is then I didn't think that is Tier 4.
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You are right - I have assumed that Sheffield was Tier 4 - but even in Tier 3 you still shouldn't travel unless essential - and as much as our lad could really do with time with us we do not consider that as being essential travel. Further - where we live is Tier2 but we live 2 miles from the boundary of a Tier4 area - so we take the view that we might as well be in Tier 4 in respect of risk.

So with him in Tier 3 area I guess we could stretch our definition of 'essential' - but pushing or just stepping over the boundaries of the rules is just not how we are choosing to play this terrible 'game'.

But I will add...this is very difficult - as we know how much he needs a break from his Sheffield life...and as much as we don't look to push the boundaries of the rules - we are faced with a difficult decision given how upset my wife is over his circumstances and telling him he can't visit us.
 
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@Ethan on vaccination, as across the world a huge number of people are going to be vaccinated wouldn’t it be quicker and easier to have the delivery method an EpiPen or is it likely cost being an issue bearing in mind the cost of professional vaccinators comes out of the equation.
 
saving_par said:
Got to feel for the poor HGV drivers stuck in the middle of all of this, must be a horrible situation to be in.
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I think the news has been a relief for some. The queues in Dover have actually eased as they’ve just driven off and parked up somewhere for 2 days. There were queues 10 miles back through dover and towards Canterbury prior the the news.
 
Played yesterday and without realising it I travelled from a Tier 2 area where we live all of 3 miles to my club in a Tier 4 area. I had no idea that the club was in a Tier 4 area - indeed I didn't realise that Guildford District started 2 miles from my front door in Waverley. I am thinking that I shouldn't have done that. I note that the clubhouse was closed and we had returned to 2-balls only - but I'm thinking that I shouldn't have travelled to the club at all.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Played yesterday and without realising it I travelled from a Tier 2 area where we live all of 3 miles to my club in a Tier 4 area. I had no idea that the club was in a Tier 4 area - indeed I didn't realise that Guildford District started 2 miles from my front door in Waverley.
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I guess we are all learning a lot more about council boarders than we ever needed or wanted to know.
My club lies in a council I have never heard of before. When London and Slough both were proposed to move into tier 3 last week I found out that between there is a place called Spelthorpe, and they stayed in tier 2. So had a lesson just the night before tier changes. But now everything is tier 4 I have more ranges to pick from again.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Played yesterday and without realising it I travelled from a Tier 2 area where we live all of 3 miles to my club in a Tier 4 area. I had no idea that the club was in a Tier 4 area - indeed I didn't realise that Guildford District started 2 miles from my front door in Waverley. I am thinking that I shouldn't have done that. I note that the clubhouse was closed and we had returned to 2-balls only - but I'm thinking that I shouldn't have travelled to the club at all.
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No I think that your club it out of bounds for the time being. Should not be going in or out of tier 4 by my understanding.

We had a similar issue. My mother in law is on the Hampshire/Berkshire boarder and may be as little as a few hundred yards from being in tier 4. We opted not to go there for that very reason.
 
GB72 said:
No I think that your club it out of bounds for the time being. Should not be going in or out of tier 4 by my understanding.

We had a similar issue. My mother in law is on the Hampshire/Berkshire boarder and may be as little as a few hundred yards from being in tier 4. We opted not to go there for that very reason.
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What I have only in the last 15minutes realised. I think the club should have advised us very explicitly of that. Very many members will have travelled to the club yesterday without realising that it was in a Tier 4 area or that they shouldn't be travelling to it. To be fair the club did say that even although it is right on the border of Waverley - it was in fact in a Tier 4 area - but I didn't twig that that meant that I couldn't play yesterday.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
What I have only in the last 15minutes realised. I think the club should have advised us very explicitly of that. Very many members will have travelled to the club yesterday without realising that it was in a Tier 4 area or that they shouldn't be travelling to it. To be fair the club did say that even although it is right on the border of Waverley - it was in fact in a Tier 4 area - but I didn't twig that that meant that I couldn't play yesterday.
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We are very lucky that we are nowhere near tier 4 border (smack bang in it) white dot

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But I can imagine there will be many people caught out by this

But then those in tier 3 have the option to go elsewhere for the time being

No ideal but rules are rules
 
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