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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

williamalex1 said:
I don't know about the maths but some younger people didn't think it serious enough for them to take care not to pass it on to others.
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Yes and your previous post regards the government statement did not give them course for concern.

But it’s not one age group, it’s people who think they are strong and healthy and those who get minimal symptoms and not self isolating because they think it’s just a cold ..
 
pauldj42 said:
Unfortunately my brother passed away yesterday (he lived in Liverpool in sheltered accommodation) his eldest son who is his next of kin lives in Swindon.

The Coroners Office have been great and can do a lot of what needs to be done over the phone.

The manager of the Sheltered accommodation can only give access to my brothers flat to his NOK and that can’t be changed even in this current climate.

His son had therefore arranged to drive to Liverpool today and get what paperwork he needs from his dad’s flat to make the necessary arrangements with the Coroner, Funeral Director etc etc.

He contacted his local Police in Swindon to check on travel and has been told his journey (officially) does not come under the category of essential and he should not travel, then he’s told (unofficially) he could try and make the journey, but if stopped he faces either being turned back or given a warning, but if he continues and is stopped again he could be forced to turn round or fined, it’ll be down to the Copper that stops him!

Absolutely ridiculous, how on earth when the lad has lost his dad should he be faced with this dilemma.

Sorry for the rant, but this is a prime example of the confusion over the laws that have been brought in.
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I’ve searched the Government websites for any advice or way round this and come up empty, if anyone can help it would be most appreciated.
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So sorry to hear :( best wishes to you and your family
 
Well a ying/yang outcome gor HID. Quite frustrating in fact. One of those typical conference calls where the leader waffles around the subject, nothing much said other than things like "plans are in place" and then finishes by saying each group (admin, TA's estates, teachers etc) will have their own individual conference calls tomorrow. On the plus side nothing serious announced for now but she's now worrying why each group getting their own message tomorrow. See what that brings
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Perhaps you could struggle in silence. ?
Do you really think this government and its ministers are not trying their best. They may not be succeeding on all fronts, but it is easy to throw accusations about on a political basis.
I believe someone has said Gove was lying about the chemical reagents.
Really? Do you think he'd do that, on this subject? Knowing how easy it is/has been to hear from the manufacturers?
Imagine you ask the army of civil servants for facts to give the Press, and you are given wrong info/figures etc ( as is the way of it). Does that make you a liar?
Come on, this is a national crisis- keep the political accusations out of it.
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I am not making ANY political points and I am not alone in having concerns over what I am hearing. I want to know what the heck is going on with testing because we are hearing the same words night after night from ministers who seem unable to answer the questions and instead give us the same line knowing the questioner has no follow-up.

Much of what I heard today really worried me because it sounded like we are weeks away from serious numbers of healthcare staff being tested. At the moment I hear that 1 in 4 doctors are not at work and 1 in 5 nurses, as they are isolating with symptoms or possible symptoms. That sounds like a recipe for disaster as the numbers infected and requiring medical attention starts to accelerate.
 
I find this quite staggering, unless I'm reading it wrong, and I don't think I am.

2,352 deaths in UK linked to Coronavirus.

The Office for National Statistics is now trying to determine the proportion of these deaths that are caused specifically by coronavirus.
Similar work in Italy suggested about 12% of them were.
 
Slime said:
I find this quite staggering, unless I'm reading it wrong, and I don't think I am.

2,352 deaths in UK linked to Coronavirus.

The Office for National Statistics is now trying to determine the proportion of these deaths that are caused specifically by coronavirus.
Similar work in Italy suggested about 12% of them were.
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That is why the German fatality rate is so low compared to others, they only count the deaths specifically due to CV19 for example, 77,000 cases yet only 891 deaths, where France has 56,000 cases and 4000+ deaths, UK, 29,000 cases and 2300 deaths.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I am not making ANY political points and I am not alone in having concerns over what I am hearing. I want to know what the heck is going on with testing because we are hearing the same words night after night from ministers who seem unable to answer the questions and instead give us the same line knowing the questioner has no follow-up.

Much of what I heard today really worried me because it sounded like we are weeks away from serious numbers of healthcare staff being tested. At the moment I hear that 1 in 4 doctors are not at work and 1 in 5 nurses, as they are isolating with symptoms or possible symptoms. That sounds like a recipe for disaster as the numbers infected and requiring medical attention starts to accelerate.
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Sounds like there is no national strategy on testing with individual Trust and organisation being left to sort their own priorities when it comes to testing and issuing PPE. I never liked all this trust rubbish and they need to come back under one umbrella. It would save a fortune in CEO and admin costs.
 
Slime said:
I find this quite staggering, unless I'm reading it wrong, and I don't think I am.

2,352 deaths in UK linked to Coronavirus.

The Office for National Statistics is now trying to determine the proportion of these deaths that are caused specifically by coronavirus.
Similar work in Italy suggested about 12% of them were.
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few days old but this appear a decent read to put things into perspective a bit. one thing is for sure comparing countries stats is definitely not comparing apples with apples!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think
 
Alright bit of a moan..
why if the virus can sit on cardboard for 24hrs are we still receiving junk mail.. I mean the postmen are doing a great job, why put them at unnecessary risk and us ?
The irony of isolating yourself for protection and the damn virus comes through your letter box !
 
harpo_72 said:
Alright bit of a moan..
why if the virus can sit on cardboard for 24hrs are we still receiving junk mail.. I mean the postmen are doing a great job, why put them at unnecessary risk and us ?
The irony of isolating yourself for protection and the damn virus comes through your letter box !
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some of the scottish mail guys gone on strike because of this!
 
Billysboots said:
Those worrying themselves to sleep at night really need to read this. There are a number of similar articles out there, but few penned by someone as well placed as this author to pass comment.
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i really don't know how to take articles like this. it makes sense and seems reasonable. I also find myself agreeing with his findings. but then I think "why would the government pretty much bankrupt itself for something that is compared to the flue"? are we over reacting? are world governments over reacting?. I'm not sure.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Seems extremely sensible and balanced, but I doubt it will be considered by the decision makers.
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For me he loses it when he states "These figures might shoot up but they are, right now, lower than other infectious diseases that we live with (such as flu). ", we know that the figures are shooting up, in fact doubled since he made the report. If they keep going up at that rate (and no reason to assume that they would not without any interventions) then there would be 40 Million deaths in the next 3 months, compare that to his statement "On a global basis, we’d expect 14 million to die over the first three months of the year." Surely we have to be trying to do something to prevent that?
 
hovis said:
i really don't know how to take articles like this. it makes sense and seems reasonable. I also find myself agreeing with his findings. but then I think "why would the government pretty much bankrupt itself for something that is compared to the flue"? are we over reacting? are world governments over reacting?. I'm not sure.
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It can only be because of the strain the pandemic is placing on health services.

There is absolutely no doubt that the virus is highly contagious and can cause significant issues, especially amongst the elderly and those with severe underlying conditions. And the pace with which it is spreading and hospitalising people is such that the NHS will rapidly struggle to cope with its normal seasonal influx of patients, never mind heart, cancer and other patients.

If some of these articles are to be believed, then a huge driver behind this has to be protecting health services.
 
hovis said:
i really don't know how to take articles like this. it makes sense and seems reasonable. I also find myself agreeing with his findings. but then I think "why would the government pretty much bankrupt itself for something that is compared to the flue"? are we over reacting? are world governments over reacting?. I'm not sure.
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Because the scientists currently in post have told them that this is what it is and they have taken the safe course of action; if we are skint but alive they can at least claim to have saved our necks & try to rebuild. If they don't take the action & there are mass deaths, they've got no defence and nowhere to hide.

I don't intend this as a criticism of their actions, as had I had to make the decision I can't honestly say I would have done anything different.

If nothing else comes from this, there needs to be some sort of clarity & unity over how the deaths are recorded as no small part of this panic appears to be caused by some of the figures which may yet prove to be wildly inaccurate.
 
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