Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

clubchamp98 said:
I see what your saying but our “ experts “ are telling us conflicting things.
Matt Hancock think we should all go out for some fresh air.
While most of the scientists not all advocate staying indoors.
You pick your “expert” according to what you belive.
They all need to sing from the same sheet so we know where we stand.
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It is entirely possible they are both right; I haven't read anywhere instructing us to stay indoors (although, I accept that for some, staying home is indoors)
 
Hobbit said:
Amongst all the experts advice there is a few absolutes. The numbers that have caught it, how infectious it seems to be and the numbers that have died. We don't need an expert to assess the risk. "Oh, go out and risk getting something that will KILL me. Stay in and reduce the risk of being KILLED."

Doesn't look like a tough one for me.
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I'm not sure the bit in bold can be classed as an absolute, especially in the UK. The minute they stopped testing anyone apart from those seriously ill in hospital meant that we have no idea of how many people have caught it in this country. You only have yo look at the confirmed number of cases in the UK compared to the estimated number of cases to see that the latter is around 10 times the former.
 
Hobbit said:
Police stopped our neighbour earlier today on her daily walk into the village for bread - they've seen her several times before. Advice from them today, "buy in bulk or get fined."
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Fair point - but a genuine question. Is it easy enough for you to get what you need in bulk at the moment. By bulk I mean, say, a weeks worth of stuff. (I'm guessing it's nice to get fresh bread daily but hardly essential given the circumstances)
 
backwoodsman said:
Fair point - but a genuine question. Is it easy enough for you to get what you need in bulk at the moment. By bulk I mean, say, a weeks worth of stuff. (I'm guessing it's nice to get fresh bread daily but hardly essential given the circumstances)
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I could fill the freezer 10x if I felt the urge. No shortages after the first few days.
 
clubchamp98 said:
She phones me when she’s in our road .
I go out while she puts her clothes in the washing machine and has a shower.
I make sure I stay away from everyone but if we have a lockdown I won’t be able to do this.
I will be in the shed soon so it might take a complete ban to sort it out.
But having said that a lockdown dosnt seem to be working in other countries if you look at the death rate.
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I shake my head. Genuinely shaking my head.
 
Jacko_G said:
I shake my head. Genuinely shaking my head.
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Got to agree with you there JG.

Its not that hard to grasp the concept.

Population of China: Lockdown imposed: Curve flattens:

Population of Southern Spain: Lockdown imposed: Curve looks like its flattening quite early:

Cities that are densely populated, curve struggles to flatten. Rural areas where social isolation is easier to achieve, curve flattens.

EDIT: no C19 deaths in Malaga province today...
 
Wolf said:
So you say fight with him, but can't help adding a little snipe at him in the very next sentence.

Considering what's going on and the fact he is in the circumstances doing a decent job and allowing the scientists and medical staff take centre stage and following their expert advise, instead of him merely doing what he or social media muppets think best, maybe you should take your own advice and fight with him and stop the snide remarks.

We aren't Italy, Spain or any other country with their laws, he has to abide by the laws and have things put in place before locking us all down. Maybe you or others think he isn't doing enough, but perhaps in this situation we can all put politic bias and personal opinion aside and simply follow the instructions given to make his job and the jobs those who actually know what they're doing a little easier.
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He is doing a decent job in very, very difficult circumstances. I absolutely want to trust him and so far I have done so and want to continue to do so.

But I do not think the manner he and Hancock are currently speaking is actually conveying the dire gravity of our situation.

If many people are not listening to - or are listening but not hearing - messages that require us all to act accordingly now - then they have to take alternative immediate action - don;t wait - every day costs lives. That is ALL I am saying.

People are also confused (I'll be kind). How can we have an in our face message on the podium that says 'Stay at Home' and in the same and subsequent briefings we are told it's OK to go out walking the dog or to keep fit. The two messages conflict - one very serious and constraining - the other flexible and friendly.

That said - I hope and pray that sufficient has been said yesterday and today about what went on over the weekend to make us all realise what we MUST do - that the messages have got through. It's a beautiful day down south east today. Many are now off work and at home - unable to work. I hope everyone has heeded the serious and constraining words
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
He is doing a decent job in very, very difficult circumstances. I absolutely want to trust him and so far I have done so and want to continue to do so.

But I do not think the manner he and Hancock are currently speaking is actually conveying the dire gravity of our situation.

If many people are not listening to - or are listening but not hearing - messages that require us all to act accordingly now - then they have to take alternative immediate action - don;t wait - every day costs lives. That is ALL I am saying.

People are also confused (I'll be kind). How can we have an in our face message on the podium that says 'Stay at Home' and in the same and subsequent briefings we are told it's OK to go out walking the dog or to keep fit. The two messages conflict - one very serious and constraining - the other flexible and friendly.

And that said - I hope and pray that sufficient has been said yesterday and today about what went on over the weekend to make us all realise what we MUST do - that the messages have got through.
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No you made snide remarks so it's not all you are saying. You're returning to type of your usual posts that you say one thing then convey another with insults toward the man. There are no buts you either back him or you don't in this situation it's quite simple.

He along with the correct advisors are doing what's currently best for our nation in preparation for further action. Which once it comes others will then find reason to complain about he's in a no win situation as are other nations leaders its just sad people feel need to resort to petty comments.
 
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Orikoru said:
Not a fan of Boris at all but I think he's doing as well as can be expected. A situation like this is the last thing anyone was expecting, but I think he's handled it ok, he seems to be letting people who know what they're talking about do the talking. (Compare that to Trump in the same situation, who thinks he's a flipping expert on everything.) I think he's right not to order a lockdown too early as it would mean it has to be sustained for a longer period I believe which is difficult. I think he's doing fine anyway.
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So in respect of a lockdown I simply ask what difference will the individual feel if a lockdown is four weeks duration or four weeks and 2/3 days duration. None I'd suggest. But the difference in 'flattening the curve' that the 2/3 days earlier make might be very significant indeed.

But some people...fast forward to 12:00 minutes in

 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
So in respect of a lockdown I simply ask what difference will the individual feel if a lockdown is four weeks duration or four weeks and 2/3 days duration. None I'd suggest. But the difference in 'flattening the curve' that the 2/3 days earlier make might be very significant indeed.
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Yeah or it might not? The point is I'm pretty sure Boris is getting expert advice from healthcare professionals not just making it up himself. The concept of being 'locked down' is awful to me so I don't want it be in place any longer than what is absolutely necessary.
 
clubchamp98 said:
everything you say is ok for me except do you need to drive anywhere to walk your dog.
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Technically no but practically yes, I live in town, no parks here, too hilly/rocky. Nearest woods are about 2.5 miles away, walking there would mean coming into contact with plenty people which I dont want. The roads are bad for walkers/cyclists - too narrow so often no pavement.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
He is doing a decent job in very, very difficult circumstances. I absolutely want to trust him and so far I have done so and want to continue to do so.

But I do not think the manner he and Hancock are currently speaking is actually conveying the dire gravity of our situation.

If many people are not listening to - or are listening but not hearing - messages that require us all to act accordingly now - then they have to take alternative immediate action - don;t wait - every day costs lives. That is ALL I am saying.

People are also confused (I'll be kind). How can we have an in our face message on the podium that says 'Stay at Home' and in the same and subsequent briefings we are told it's OK to go out walking the dog or to keep fit. The two messages conflict - one very serious and constraining - the other flexible and friendly.

That said - I hope and pray that sufficient has been said yesterday and today about what went on over the weekend to make us all realise what we MUST do - that the messages have got through. It's a beautiful day down south east today. Many are now off work and at home - unable to work. I hope everyone has heeded the serious and constraining words
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I disagree. What has been said has been clear. First it was " please voluntarily do social distancing. If everyone does this, we can beat it without worse measures". Words to that effect.
It was said days running. A significant number of U.K. Citizens decided to refute the advice.
They didn't misunderstand it, they didn't not hear it. They said "boxxxcks"

The message has been given clearly.
Just now in HoC Mr Hancock was asked by some woman MP to increase publicity because the message wasn't getting through. He stood up with a big sigh. You could guess the next word that he wanted to say.
How he checked his exasperation I don't know.!
The lock down will come because the population has refused to do the right thing
 
This afternoon's Downing St Daily Briefing cancelled due to a COBRA meeting currently taking place. Just a guess but suspect they may be debating lock down measures that will be incoming very soon.
 
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