Club cup winners vs hcp

[VVega]

For all concerns about club comps being dominated by high hcp players, here is some stats from our club.

Dataset: 26 winners of club trophy/cup comps (entry hcp is limited to 20).

Mean hcp: 8.6
Standard deviation: 5.5
75% percentile 12.1

In other words, more than half of the winners are single digit hcp players and 3/4 are not even in the teens.

 

[SteveJay]

For all concerns about club comps being dominated by high hcp players, here is some stats from our club.

Dataset: 26 winners of club trophy/cup comps (entry hcp is limited to 20).

Mean hcp: 8.6
Standard deviation: 5.5
75% percentile 12.1

In other words, more than half of the winners are single digit hcp players and 3/4 are not even in the teens.

Think the bold wording might have an effect and account for why this trend may not be seen in some other clubs!

 

[Arthur Wedge]

For all concerns about club comps being dominated by high hcp players, here is some stats from our club.

Dataset: 26 winners of club trophy/cup comps (entry hcp is limited to 20).

Mean hcp: 8.6
Standard deviation: 5.5
75% percentile 12.1

In other words, more than half of the winners are single digit hcp players and 3/4 are not even in the teens.

Surely that has an affect ?

So looking at our board comps

Lowest HC was 10

Highest was 22

 

[KenL]

Single figure golfers are not low handicappers. I’d say under 5 is low hcp. We’ve got a guy off +5.0. He’s a low handicapper.

 

[C7usk]

Single figure golfers are not low handicappers. I’d say under 5 is low hcp. We’ve got a guy off +5.0. He’s a low handicapper.

Single figures and below for me..

 

[rulefan]

Anyone lower than me

 

[Golfloveruk]

Single figure golfers are not low handicappers. I’d say under 5 is low hcp. We’ve got a guy off +5.0. He’s a low handicapper.

Old cat 1

 

[Banchory Buddha]

For all concerns about club comps being dominated by high hcp players, here is some stats from our club.

Dataset: 26 winners of club trophy/cup comps (entry hcp is limited to 20).

Mean hcp: 8.6
Standard deviation: 5.5
75% percentile 12.1

In other words, more than half of the winners are single digit hcp players and 3/4 are not even in the teens.

As stats go, pretty useless. You've restricted the filed to 20, you've got 3/4 playing off 12 or less, of course you're going to have a fair smattering of single digit winners. You haven't rolled out what those are, but here's my away club stats

 

[VVega]

As stats go, pretty useless. You've restricted the filed to 20, you've got 3/4 playing off 12 or less, of course you're going to have a fair smattering of single digit winners. You haven't rolled out what those are, but here's my away club stats

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My data sample is whatever it is I don’t make up rules for trophy comps. At least it is more statistically relevant than the quoted above sample of 6 trophy comps.

Anyone is welcome to draw any conclusions they like

 

[VVega]

you've got 3/4 playing off 12 or less

Not true, the 3/4 of the winners are 12 or less, the field which for these comps had typically over 100 players is much more diverse and if anything it’s likely to be the reverse, ie 3/4 will have a Hcp above 12.

 

[Banchory Buddha]

Not true, the 3/4 of the winners are 12 or less, the field which for these comps had typically over 100 players is much more diverse and if anything it’s likely to be the reverse, ie 3/4 will have a Hcp above 12.

How are we supposed to know, your "stats" were a mess, and still you've limited the field to a 20 handicap

 

[VVega]

How are we supposed to know, your "stats" were a mess, and still you've limited the field to a 20 handicap

Why are my “stats” a mess?

 

[Banchory Buddha]

My data sample is whatever it is I don’t make up rules for trophy comps. At least it is more statistically relevant than the quoted above sample of 6 trophy comps.

Anyone is welcome to draw any conclusions they like

My sample had over 20 medal rounds, if you'd followed the original thread, which I assume you had hence this one, you'd have seen the fact that high handicaps win all single round trophies, yet when it's not a trophy on the line they don't, was significant

But hey, you defend a system that rewards mediocrity, and I'm being generous with the mediocre

 

[Banchory Buddha]

Why are my “stats” a mess?

How many entrants?
How many in each category?

That would be a good place to start. The figures you posted are utterly meaningless

 

[VVega]

I just provided some data points from a single club. Didn’t make or imply any big conclusions

 

[clubchamp98]

Single figure golfers are not low handicappers. I’d say under 5 is low hcp. We’ve got a guy off +5.0. He’s a low handicapper.

28 is mid handicap now though !
So single figures is low.
+5.0 is Elite imo.

 

[harpo_72]

There seems to be a lot of plus handicaps nowadays…
I don’t remember there being so many prior to whs

 

[Banchory Buddha]

I just provided some data points from a single club. Didn’t make or imply any big conclusions

Erm, "in other words ...."

That seems a conclusion from the numbers you posted with no reference points, and seemingly forgetting the biggest of all that this was limited to 20 handicap

 

[CountLippe]

There seems to be a lot of plus handicaps nowadays…
I don’t remember there being so many prior to whs

I think this is because in the olden days, once you got to cat one the reductions were only 0.1 per shot. Therefore to to get from 5.4 to - 0.5 literally took ages. No gen play cards either so all comps. Nowadays you can do it in 8 rounds! Under the old system it took far too long imo.

 

[Banchory Buddha]

I think this is because in the olden days, once you got to cat one the reductions were only 0.1 per shot. Therefore to to get from 5.4 to - 0.5 literally took ages. No gen play cards either so all comps. Nowadays you can do it in 8 rounds! Under the old system it took far too long imo.

It's not just that, when we switched to WHS, anyone 3 or under generally got one shot if not 2 shots cut from their handicap, the sweet spot seemed to be 5-7 that didn't chnge much, and those over started getting progressively more shots than they had under WHS