Foxholer
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Both sides saying a deal seems unlikely! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53854730
Quelle suprise!
Brexit - The negotiations.
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Quelle suprise!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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What happened to the 'easiest deal'; the German car makers; the French and Italian wine and cheese producers...the 'they need us more than we need them' spiel. Well I suppose there is still time. Though not a lot as a deal has to be put to the EU27 governments October latest.Both sides saying a deal seems unlikely! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53854730
Quelle suprise!
And it doesn't matter if the EU are being unreasonable - because we were supposed to hold all the cards...the EU can demand every unreasonable thing they want - it's their choice what they offer and demand - they know the consequences of not reaching agreement on a trade deal.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
There can never be a deal if either side doesnt want one. Your ongoing repetition of 'easiest deal' and German car manufacturers etc is hacknied and rather juvenile. You obviously want there to be no deal and for the UK to come off badly so you can pull out the 'I told you so' card. The trade situation will of course be a bad for both sides if there is no real effort to make the best of the situation.
Foxholer
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I agree - and the EU's reluctance/refusal (negotiations actually seem to be a charade!) was entirely predictable - I seem to remember doing exactly that in the original Brexit (Vote) thread!
As this was a major claim in the campaign, it's entirely appropriate to point out that the claim turned out to be false! It seems to me that any 'juvenile' activity is from those who can't 'man up' and admit that the claim was wrong!
Speculation (perhaps even 'juvenilely' so!) that I'm certain is wrong - I believe SILH has already refute that assertion several times!
But the devotion by the EU hierarchy to 'punish' UK (part of which I'm certain is to deter others from following) don't particularly care about the (immediate) economic consequences to member states in comparison to the 'European Project'! UK now needs to assume (if it hasn't already) that it'll be 'No Deal' - even though we all know that'll be extremely costly for UK!
An observation on the negotiation, it's August. Leave date is Dec 31st. The nature of these things is slightly childish in that they tend to go to the wire. If we are in the same place come December then it will be time to worry. Otherwise it is part of the usual posturing, sad to say.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
If the EU shows a willingness to do a deal then there will soon be a queue at their door and their little empire will collapse. So despite the fact that the deal should be easy to do, as it would benefit both sides, those desperately trying to cling to power will continue to try & punish the upstart to deter the remaining members from following them.
Sweep
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Much difficulty is caused by the EU’s way of negotiating. Quite often through this entire process they have insisted on agreeing one aspect before they will move on to another. It’s still the same. According to UK negotiators the EU are currently insisting that the UK must accept continuity with the EU state aid and fisheries policy before any further substantive work can be done on any other area of negotiation. One frustrated UK negotiator is quoted as saying “obviously we are not going to do that, so it’s frozen”.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
It wasn't a major claim in the campaign, it was rather a throwaway comment By Dr Fox and never a part of Leave policy.
You seem to adapting the role of Hogan Dad, I'm sure he is quite able to defend his own comments.
Foxholer
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It may have been a 'throwaway' comment, but it certainly became a major claim!
And, having been shown to be a fallacy - though the qualification of 'politics getting in the way' has certainly (and unfortunately, but inevitably imo) been shown to be correct!
As for the rest - the personal 'attack'... Surely, it's time you stopped 'attacking the poster(s)' and debated the post!
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SocketRocket
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Only a major claim for those looking for anti Brexit ammunition.
Foxholer
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Actually - at the time - Brexit ammunition!
The fact that the (only partially quoted) statement has come back to 'haunt' is 'sad but true'!
Mudball
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More from the Remoaners.... silly folks now want to hold Brexiteers accountable if they cant get a deal they promised they would get. Which cloud do they live on?
drdel
Tour Rookie
Interesting to see Barnier at his press briefing promoting his soon to be released book on the negotiations - no wonder he's always on social media.
Do these people have no professionalism?
Do these people have no professionalism?
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Given his negotiating tactics I imagine it won't be a long read.
chrisd
Major Champion
I'm quite surprised that he managed to negotiate a book deal in the first place ?
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
He didn't negotiate it; he bullied the publisher into it.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
The Dummies Guide to Dumb Negotiations.
Professionalism? The mouthpiece for Macron? Seriously?
In the last 2 months he's recommended the EU accept the UK offer on two major stumbling blocks, and they've been accepted by the vast majority of the EU..... apart from France.
drdel
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Stonewall has been the EU approach to negotiations for decades.
Born out of arrogance when the wealth of Europe's population was growing and so the internal market was attractive and the big ticket items (cars, planes, industrial machinery etc) were in demand worldwide and Germany benefitted most from the protectionist ploy.
In today's world demand for these products is less and in the EU the markets are mature with insufficient demand to maintain the growth that is needed just to fund their debt mountain. However the EU still think everybody wants access. France has been supported ever since the EC was formed and rarely follow the rules.
The deal with Canada took 8 years! With 27 members with diverging beliefs stonewalling by the executive is one way of never taking the blame for a failure to agree.
Born out of arrogance when the wealth of Europe's population was growing and so the internal market was attractive and the big ticket items (cars, planes, industrial machinery etc) were in demand worldwide and Germany benefitted most from the protectionist ploy.
In today's world demand for these products is less and in the EU the markets are mature with insufficient demand to maintain the growth that is needed just to fund their debt mountain. However the EU still think everybody wants access. France has been supported ever since the EC was formed and rarely follow the rules.
The deal with Canada took 8 years! With 27 members with diverging beliefs stonewalling by the executive is one way of never taking the blame for a failure to agree.
PNWokingham
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You really are a UK hater. Why don't you pack up and go and live abroad rather than bring up stupid rhetoric that every politician is guilty of. We are asking for a very normal out-of-the-box trade deal. They are being unreasonable. End of. Grow up and have a more balanced outlook on what YOUR country is trying to achieve. Maybe a bit more public support for a very fair deal would help get some momentum behind our position. BREXIT is over, The game now is a to try and get a good balanced deal but you still cannot see that. Also, nothing is finished with the EU until the end so each side can say what they want. If they do not accept our status as an independant country, there will be no deal. We will not be held hostage by the EU still having power in our country over what any normal trade deal would be. And it is not just them that know the consequences - we also do if you didn't realise that - but you can take a bullying horse to water but not necessarily make it drink!
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