BBC Horizon exposes Rolls Royce Bribe Scandal

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Just watched the show. The presenter stated the blooming obvious several times "RR sells into some of the most corrupt countries in the world".
OK so how do you get the contract? I am fed up up with this appetite for trying to dig the dirt. I don't know if RR has paid commissions or other inducements and I don't care.
The real world in these markets requires real solutions. If you don't play the game someone else will. Do we want to create wealth , expertise through continuing investment, Training of our gifted young people in a world leading technology?
This typical BBC report wants us to set a world standard in a holier than thou approach whilst GE in America , Safran in France and the rest would clean up.
 
I'm confused ?

Are you angry with the bribes and corruption or someone exposing the bribes and corruption?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37823554

Is it not just investigating journalists doing their jobs ? And they have no doubt helped exposed a great deal of corruption and wrong doings over the years which im led to believe is a good thing ?
 
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But you need to appreciate that journalists, particularly those employed by the BBC, do not live in the real world.

Easy to point the finger at RR when you have no responsibility to others yourself.

Ideally dubious practices should never be used but when you have a responsibility to shareholders and to a workforce it is not so easy to walk away from a potential deal that you know your competitors will be happy to pick up.
 
Agree with the OP. Pompous and naive to think this doesn't go on in many countries. You either join in or you don't get the business. What were RR supposed to do?
 
Went to the rolls Royce factory at Hucknall a good few years ago when it was having open days. Brilliant days out they were. The locals starting moaning about the noise when rolls Royce were testing the engines. It got that bad, councils and all and sundry were were involved. Rolls Royce to the best of my knowledge said they would move to another factory. The locals celebrated a moral victory as the nearest factory was at Derby so not to far to drive for the locals that worked at Rolls Royce. Only RR did not move to Derby, apparantly they moved to a nice new factory in North America. Yup the locals really moaned then. Point is, from RR point of view they are not the only ones that do it and quite frankly am not bothered.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Agree with the OP. Pompous and naive to think this doesn't go on in many countries. You either join in or you don't get the business. What were RR supposed to do?
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I agree, they are only interested in making a sensational story. They need to live in the real world of international trade and have the responsibility of many thousands of jobs. The BBC (and other media businesses) might want to consider how they pay for some of the weird demands and requests of so-called celebrities: but then is that common in entertainment, football etc. etc.

Heaven protect us from the self righteous do-gooders.
 
Rules apply differently in different countries. In many parts of Africa, ex Soviet states, middle east, bribery is standard. Without paying you get nowhere. In Europe it's different. It's ugly but it's reality.
 
bluewolf said:
Plenty of ways to justify law breaking. As long as you admit that's what it is. It's not "just business".
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Of course it is illegal and should not happen.

Just so long as you are happy for principles to be adhered to at the expense of someone else's job.
 
MetalMickie said:
Of course it is illegal and should not happen.

Just so long as you are happy for principles to be adhered to at the expense of someone else's job.
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:rofl:

I'm perfectly fine with it thanks. I'm old enough and daft enough to know how the World turns. It just tickles me how people can justify things to themselves. Kick a ball out of the rough in a monthly medal and you're a dirty rotten cheat. Sneak a few million quid into the pockets of a corrupt regime and it's just business... I love it.
 
bluewolf said:
:rofl:

I'm perfectly fine with it thanks. I'm old enough and daft enough to know how the World turns. It just tickles me how people can justify things to themselves. Kick a ball out of the rough in a monthly medal and you're a dirty rotten cheat. Sneak a few million quid into the pockets of a corrupt regime and it's just business... I love it.
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Much more to do with consequences and in no way are the two examples comparable.

In any event personally I couldn't give a stuff if someone employs the leather wedge, I can only influence and be responsible for my own actions.
 
Sadly this to me is an indictment of where the BBC has sunk and almost becoming a red top paper in terms of its sensationalism reporting. These deals happen and RR do what they need to do to compete in that particular market. If they didn't you can guarantee that another manufacturer would in a heartbeat
 
bluewolf said:
So, you'd be just as damning if the BBC had been investigating an American company?
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Personally; yes.

Far more point in exposing those regimes and officials that expect and demand corrupt payments before signing any deal. That might bring an end to it otherwise all that is being done is shifting the problem elsewhere.
 
bluewolf said:
So, the message is - If there are people depending on you, it's ok to break the rules/law? Cool.
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Ivory tower viewpoint.

Whose law are you saying takes precedent? There is no harmony of company/state law worldwide and as long as that exists there will always be issues.

In international trade rules change country by country. We compete with China and others who have no copyright, IPR and other restrictive 'pseudo moral' laws. so loads of UK consumers buy ripped-off, cloned technology via websites. For example China has deliberately set it exchange rate artificially low because it desperately needs work for its huge population - largely at the expense of Western jobs. They don't see it as rule breaking.

RR could set a company outside of the UK and be 'ruled' OK. Of course the UK may not like the fact that jobs/Tax revenue is lost.

I suspect that many unemployed engineering workers are unbelievably happy in the knowledge that their company played by the rules but lost because the other side had no rules !
 
drdel said:
Ivory tower viewpoint.

Whose law are you saying takes precedent? There is no harmony of company/state law worldwide and as long as that exists there will always be issues.

In international trade rules change country by country. We compete with China and others who have no copyright, IPR and other restrictive 'pseudo moral' laws. so loads of UK consumers buy ripped-off, cloned technology via websites. For example China has deliberately set it exchange rate artificially low because it desperately needs work for its huge population - largely at the expense of Western jobs. They don't see it as rule breaking.

RR could set a company outside of the UK and be 'ruled' OK. Of course the UK may not like the fact that jobs/Tax revenue is lost.

I suspect that many unemployed engineering workers are unbelievably happy in the knowledge that their company played by the rules but lost because the other side had no rules !
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Yup. That's the one. Ivory tower. You dress it up however you want mate. Makes no odds to me. I've worked in that environment for long enough to understand exactly what lubricates the wheels of industry. Just remember, the next time a big contract goes to a competitor, and jobs are lost in this country, you condoned their behaviour. You turned your back on it.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Rules apply differently in different countries. In many parts of Africa, ex Soviet states, middle east, bribery is standard. Without paying you get nowhere. In Europe it's different. It's ugly but it's reality.
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I thought companies have 'proper' bribery accounts for dealing in countries where you have to get past some self proclaimed 'general'. IT's like paying commission, just slightly different.
 
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