Average slope rating.

[Backache]

Does anyone have any stats on how slope ratings are distributed on UK club courses for male club golfers?
I know the official standard rating is 113 but the vast majority appear to be well over. I would guess the typical course is somewhere in the low 120's but really don't know. Just interested.

 

[rulefan]

Does anyone have any stats on how slope ratings are distributed on UK club courses for male club golfers?
I know the official standard rating is 113 but the vast majority appear to be well over. I would guess the typical course is somewhere in the low 120's but really don't know. Just interested.

According to this the average for GB&I is 125

https://ruddingtongrange.com/golf/world-handicap-system-whs

 

[Voyager EMH]

The "average" is really not worthy of consideration. Doesn't tell us anything much.

How many courses have had their "old ladies tees" rated for men?
This would clearly have a huge impact on "average".

 

[Foxholer]

Does anyone have any stats on how slope ratings are distributed on UK club courses for male club golfers?
I know the official standard rating is 113 but the vast majority appear to be well over. I would guess the typical course is somewhere in the low 120's but really don't know. Just interested.

Slope rating of 113 is not an 'average' or 'standard'! It's the rating at which both a scratch and a 'bogey' player, is (statistically) expected (on average)to play to their (stable) Handicap Index.

 

[Backache]

Slope rating of 113 is not an 'average' or 'standard'! It's the rating at which both a scratch and a 'bogey' player, is (statistically) expected (on average)to play to their (stable) Handicap Index.

I know it's not average, I guess it depends what you mean by standard though.
I used standard because that is how it is described by the USGA.

 

[Foxholer]

I know it's not average, I guess it depends what you mean by standard though.
I used standard because that is how it is described by the USGA.

I believe the description is 'standard relative difficulty', not simply 'standard'. That's as I described Slope of 113 earlier - where both a Scratch and Bogey HI player would 'play to their HI'.
It would not surprise me if the 125 average slope rating Rulefan gave a link to is pretty much spot on - for Mens White Tees.

 

[Backache]

I believe the description is 'standard relative difficulty', not simply 'standard'. That's as I described Slope of 113 earlier - where both a Scratch and Bogey HI player would 'play to their HI'.
It would not surprise me if the 125 average slope rating Rulefan gave a link to is pretty much spot on - for Male Whites.

Yup I wasn't really disagreeing with you , just explaining why I used the term standard.
Though standard difficulty was the term I read.
Relative difficulty makes sense though.

 

[Foxholer]

Yup I wasn't really disagreeing with you , just explaining why I used the term standard.
Though standard difficulty was the term I read.
Relative difficulty makes sense though.

I think the 'Relative' (as in comparison of Scratch to Bogey players/scores) is the important bit. I got it from this doc. https://www.usga.org/content/usga/h... G Golf Course Course Rating Slope Rating.htm

 

[rulefan]

http://www.ongolfhandicaps.com/2014/07/why-is-113-in-slope-handicap-system.html

 

[Voyager EMH]

Does this average figure have any significance, though? I don't believe it does.

Each course has been assigned a CR and SR so that all courses have the same degree of difficulty for all players. Maybe in theory only, but that is what these ratings are there for, isn't it?

 

[Foxholer]

http://www.ongolfhandicaps.com/2014/07/why-is-113-in-slope-handicap-system.html

The 2nd reply in that doc - by Knuth himself - is the most significant one imo....

A: A When I introduced the system in 1982, the theoretical average Slope Rating was 113 because USGA data showed that scores go up on average 1.13 strokes per handicap stroke. The actual average Slope Rating is 120....