Aussies caught cheating on camera

Hobbit said:
I'm with you on this one Shaggy. Atherton used dirt to rough up one side of the ball. As big a cheat as Bancroft.
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IMHO, Atherton used a material that is found on the field of play (dirt, saliva, etc.) to alter the ball condition. Stretching the spirt of the game, yes. Cheating, less clear cut in my view. Dirt on the ball happens in the game today - spinners use dirt to dry their hands to get more ball purchase. Inevitably some of this dirt gets on the ball...:p

Bancroft et al, deliberately took a foreign object to alter the condition. That is more clear cut cheating, no doubt.

I've seen bottle tops taken on to the field of play. Afridi even bit into the ball in an ODI. :ooo:

Previous punishments weren't harsh enough. This time it will make people think.
 
Piece said:
IMHO, Atherton used a material that is found on the field of play (dirt, saliva, etc.) to alter the ball condition. Stretching the spirt of the game, yes. Cheating, less clear cut in my view. Dirt on the ball happens in the game today - spinners use dirt to dry their hands to get more ball purchase. Inevitably some of this dirt gets on the ball...:p

Bancroft et al, deliberately took a foreign object to alter the condition. That is more clear cut cheating, no doubt.

I've seen bottle tops taken on to the field of play. Afridi even bit into the ball in an ODI. :ooo:

Previous punishments weren't harsh enough. This time it will make people think.
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I'm not condoning what Atherton did but the Oz thing seems to be on a larger scale, almost like the whole team are a "win at any costs" set up. A cheat is a cheat, yes I agree, but the level the Oz team went to was quite staggering.
 
Piece said:
IMHO, Atherton used a material that is found on the field of play (dirt, saliva, etc.) to alter the ball condition. Stretching the spirt of the game, yes. Cheating, less clear cut in my view. Dirt on the ball happens in the game today - spinners use dirt to dry their hands to get more ball purchase. Inevitably some of this dirt gets on the ball...:p

Bancroft et al, deliberately took a foreign object to alter the condition. That is more clear cut cheating, no doubt.

I've seen bottle tops taken on to the field of play. Afridi even bit into the ball in an ODI. :ooo:

Previous punishments weren't harsh enough. This time it will make people think.
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Atherton breaks the rule on point 3 of that rule. Further to that, what he told the England management was different to what he told the match referee. And unfortunately for Atherton that came out very soon after. This led the match ref to say that he would have banned Atherton if he'd known of the real reason Atherton did what he did.

Atherton's aim was exactly the same as that of the Aussies, i.e. to alter the natural ageing of the ball.
 
MegaSteve said:
Aye, but he didn't coerce [bully] a junior team member to do his dirty deed for him...

It's getting others to do your dirty work for you is the worst part...
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Whatever the M.O. was or is its still cheating.

I just don't get the nice cheat/nasty cheat thing. A cheat's a cheat.
 
Interesting view by one of my 'heroes' (who I actually played against - and was caught at slip from a ball I don't think I saw! - more than half a century ago!) https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p062y7ft

He suggests that bowlers should be allowed to alter the ball to a certain, limited, extent! I've always considered the 'totally legal' shining of half the ball to be 'alteration' anyway! Tampering as done by the Aussies, Pakistan (allegedly!), Atherton et al would still be (very severely) penalised and Umpires should be allowed to deem the ball 'unfit' and get it replaced. But certain changes should be legitimised.
 
Hobbit said:
Whatever the M.O. was or is its still cheating.

I just don't get the nice cheat/nasty cheat thing. A cheat's a cheat.
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But who has suggested that.

The fact that Atherton's offence was well over 20 years ago doesn't alter that it was cheating and I agree that it was dealt with in a far more lenient manner.

However none of that that reduces the guilt of the Australians currently "in the dock ".

IMO the punishments handed down to them are entirely appropriate and will, hopefully, serve às a deterrent to any that may be tempted in the future.
 
Crushing defeat again for the Aussies and perhaps no surprise given all that has gone on. Very disappointed the ACG want the bans reduced. If you didn't cheat they wouldn't be banned. With Lehman now stepping down, how big a rebuilding job will this be with the Ashes coming up. If the ICC does let these players back in time for this series they will lose any iota of credibility they have left. I hope they tell the Aussie board to get stuffed
 
Hobbit said:
Whatever the M.O. was or is its still cheating.

I just don't get the nice cheat/nasty cheat thing. A cheat's a cheat.
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I didn't mean my comment in that particular sense, as far as I know the Atherton thing was him acting alone on a spur of the moment (I'm happy to be corrected on that). The Oz one is premeditated and involved planning beforehand, it also seems to point at the whole team being cheats as most must have been aware/involved.
 
Hobbit said:
Whatever the M.O. was or is its still cheating.

I just don't get the nice cheat/nasty cheat thing. A cheat's a cheat.
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Cheating is cheating...
But, bullying others to do your dirty work takes it to another level,,,

Right now, it would appear, [probably due to the very loud public outcry] the authorities have taken that view... I just hope they remain steadfast in that view...
 
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