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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Mudball said:
Quick question.. We now have about 4000 posts on this thread and lots of grandstanding, mudslinging, fakenewsing, shouting at each other.

with less than 12 hours to go to polls, HAS ANYONE CHANGED THEIR MIND ON HOW THEY VOTE BASED ON THIS THIS THREAD..
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Me ...........

I'm thinking of voting before going to work instead of on the way home
 
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Mudball said:
Quick question.. We now have about 4000 posts on this thread and lots of grandstanding, mudslinging, fakenewsing, shouting at each other.

with less than 12 hours to go to polls, HAS ANYONE CHANGED THEIR MIND ON HOW THEY VOTE BASED ON THIS THIS THREAD..
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Going to put my neck on the line and say nobody has changed their mind due to something they have read on a golf forum

Most people vote for the same and if their floaters it's just what speaks to them that time around
 
funkycoldmedina said:
Other more progressive modern economies have managed to bridge these changes by investing in education, infrastructure etc. We have one of the greatest university and research systems in the world but the vast majority of their output ends up making overseas companies money because we don't have an industry to feed into. That's ok.for investment bankers, they just move their money around the world but it does nothing for poorer areas.
The Germans, French, Swedish, Japenese all have car industries. I worked in Pharma for many years, it's now decimated in the UK but not in other European countries.
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I won't drag this discussion out too much. Just to briefly say IMO you should look further back to when these trends started, such as at the average age of factories in the UK and the outdated equipment, poor labour relations, high energy costs (because the UK implemented Environmental controls when others in Europe ignored them). Unfortunately the NE was the UK's centre of these traditional businesses so were more exposed to the changes (there are huge parts of the USA, Detroit, Chicago that were also caught out, by cheap steel imports etc).

The nations you mention had newer infrastructure so more efficient production (including chemical/medical). I'm, of course, perfectly happy for you to take a different stance.
 
drdel said:
I won't drag this discussion out too much. Just to briefly say IMO you should look further back to when these trends started, such as at the average age of factories in the UK and the outdated equipment, poor labour relations, high energy costs (because the UK implemented Environmental controls when others in Europe ignored them). Unfortunately the NE was the UK's centre of these traditional businesses so were more exposed to the changes (there are huge parts of the USA, Detroit, Chicago that were also caught out, by cheap steel imports etc).

The nations you mention had newer infrastructure so more efficient production (including chemical/medical). I'm, of course, perfectly happy for you to take a different stance.
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I agree that the circumstances are complex and multiple but successive governments have failed to address them in any meaningful way.
An example would be the hullabaloo about more air capacity for London. Any government with an eye on other areas of the country would have explored the feasibility of an airport with high speed rail links to London but also others area of the UK. They don't because they believe in trickle down economics which has blatantly failed these regions.
 
funkycoldmedina said:
One of the great mysteries of this era of politics is how Tory policies from the 80's decimated industries and communities in the North and Midlands with no plans to reinvigorate them and then by some slight of hand have convinced them it's the EU's fault and if they vote Tory they'll sort it out.
They've never given a toss about those regions and never will.
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I guess there's also arguments that 90s Labour never really gave a toss about the North either. It's been going downhill more and more ever since I was a kid no matter who was in government.
 
Tashyboy said:
As one of the lads said at the pit reunion.

" I have not left Labour, Labour have left me".
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what rubbish, they can't have been much of a labour supporter or even a socialist if they think that... this is prob the first socialst manifesto in 40 years if they think its not labour then they were never a labour supporter
 
Beezerk said:
I guess there's also arguments that 90s Labour never really gave a toss about the North either. It's been going downhill more and more ever since I was a kid no matter who was in government.
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Labour didn;t get back in till 97 so most of the 90 was tory, but surly as a long term labour supporter it was up to you to highlight that and get involved in changing things?
 
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