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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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It's because Johnson doesn't like facing scrutiny.

Perhaps some of those that vote for him will realise this over the next 5 years!
 
Wolf said:
Your missing the point Patrick, that point being many will vote for the 2 main protagonist because they know it will always be one of them in power so don't tick the other boxes or even look deep enough into their policies.

As for you saying im alright Jack down south (by that asusme you mean England) that alone highlights my previous post and is far to simple way of looking at it. England isn't just south its not just London and the home counties. Northern England is suffering terribly under this government but still many people will only vote for one of the 2 main parties as they don't see anyone else ever getting a look in because of the political system we have.

I'll be voting tomorrow and it wont be red or blue, i don't believe either are fit for purpose with what they're offering, if the party I am voting for got in it would mean paying slightly more in tax as well which I can accept. But I know even with my vote going to that party there's no chance them getting into power because of the current political system favoring just 2 parties, so im sorry the I'm alright Jack statement doesn't wash with me because until the system is changed, we won't ever get actual change and accountability from politicians.
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judging by many attitudes on here that have renforced my view on I'm all right jackism, look at the views on Tax that have been mentioned, not to mention many of the comments from people on the news etc and those i've seen out and about. plus i lived in the south east and worked in the city for many years... none of that experience makes me change my mind so we will have to agree to disagree:unsure:
 
Quite looking forward to the results Thursday night and Friday morning.

Then am really looking forward to the excuses why X party won.

But what am really looking forward to is people saying they now know what they didn't know the day before, and that they were lied to and they don't like the result so they want another vote. Then they can vote For the other party.
 
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Quite looking forward to the results Thursday night and Friday morning.

Then am really looking forward to the excuses why X party won.

But what am really looking forward to is people saying they now know what they didn't know the day before, and that they were lied to and they don't like the result so they want another vote. Then they can vote For the other party.
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the great unwashed will be protesting if they don't get the result they want and no doubt Gina Millar will start another court case
 
patricks148 said:
judging by many attitudes on here that have renforced my view on I'm all right jackism, look at the views on Tax that have been mentioned, not to mention many of the comments from people on the news etc and those i've seen out and about. plus i lived in the south east and worked in the city for many years... none of that experience makes me change my mind so we will have to agree to disagree:unsure:
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I can't say more than (y)(y) on this...I live in the SE (Surrey) and have done for 23yrs, and the attitude you refer to is prevalent amongst some I know and many I bump in to - not all - but many. And, sadly, it is one of the main reasons that we will move from this part of the world in the next couple of years or so. Fortunately there is also a strong LibDem mindset that goes some way to counter what we find difficult.
 
Tashyboy said:
Quite looking forward to the results Thursday night and Friday morning.

Then am really looking forward to the excuses why X party won.

But what am really looking forward to is people saying they now know what they didn't know the day before, and that they were lied to and they don't like the result so they want another vote. Then they can vote For the other party.
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that really is sad
 
patricks148 said:
judging by many attitudes on here that have renforced my view on I'm all right jackism, look at the views on Tax that have been mentioned, not to mention many of the comments from people on the news etc and those i've seen out and about. plus i lived in the south east and worked in the city for many years... none of that experience makes me change my mind so we will have to agree to disagree:unsure:
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What sort of views do you expect to see everyone agreeing like some form of Socialist utopia.

Again you point to the south east of England and London but fail to acknowledge that England isn't just those 2 locations. It's easy to say agree to disagree when you're not taking in the full picture.

But we can happily disagree knowing its only our opinions and neither of us is actually right..
 
patricks148 said:
judging by many attitudes on here that have renforced my view on I'm all right jackism, look at the views on Tax that have been mentioned, not to mention many of the comments from people on the news etc and those i've seen out and about. plus i lived in the south east and worked in the city for many years... none of that experience makes me change my mind so we will have to agree to disagree:unsure:
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I have worked in the City for 25 years and already pay a bucket load of tax on my earnings and while I can afford to pay more I would rather keep as much of my salary as possible so I can spend it on what I want too (which is also taxed)
 
patricks148 said:
judging by many attitudes on here that have renforced my view on I'm all right jackism, look at the views on Tax that have been mentioned, not to mention many of the comments from people on the news etc and those i've seen out and about. plus i lived in the south east and worked in the city for many years... none of that experience makes me change my mind so we will have to agree to disagree:unsure:
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Isn't that more just human nature ? I now live in the midlands and whilst it is a lot more friendly and lets say more like 'old britian' better social interaction etc, I see that outlook everywhere and hear it across the board(I have acted for clients across all of the UK and people coming in from the EU for work in the labour market of London and not many enjoy paying more tax than they should).

I think going from what is said to me, most do not mind paying a bit more in tax, so plucking a figure from the air, say 5%. However when I have to tell a Limited company owner earning around £35000 his dividend tax liability has increased from £0(ZERO) four years ago, and would about £3,650 under labour(plus the increase in corporation tax, which would total near £4,100, so that's an EXTRA (not total) 11.7% of his income, it is hard to swallow). And figures get worse as the earnings increase. Quickly typing it away on my calculator. but don't worry the pensioners, PAYE under £80k people wont have to pay any or much more tax/nic. Its a bit nutty and fair to one sided, the labour tax suggestions IMHO.

This could be your Peter the Plumber Ltd or Eddie the Electrician Ltd or Boris the Blockworker Ltd ;).

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so no idea if you were a socialist or not?
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Genuine question, do you consider the labour party socialists ? Also did you consider Blairs period whilst at Labour the same?
 
Dando said:
the great unwashed will be protesting if they don't get the result they want and no doubt Gina Millar will start another court case
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There's the thing... Input from the "great unwashed" will not be required ... Once Boris fails to deliver a proper Brexit and continues in failing to stem immigration his own team will lose faith and show him the door... Probably seeing us returning to the polling stations well short of a fixed term parliament...
 
Not going well for the Tories today.:love:

On top of that Lady Doon got a cold call from them, seven minutes later after discussing lies, trust, health, Indyref and social services the Scottish Tory woman was reduced to a jibbering wreck.
My English lady finally tells her that she has a postal vote and that she voted for the SNP six days ago as did her two English daughters wo moved to Scotland 10 and 12 years ago. That is when she was cut off.:love:
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Not going well for the Tories today.:love:

On top of that Lady Doon got a cold call from them, seven minutes later after discussing lies, trust, health, Indyref and social services the Scottish Tory woman was reduced to a jibbering wreck.
My English lady finally tells her that she has a postal vote and that she voted for the SNP six days ago as did her two English daughters wo moved to Scotland 10 and 12 years ago. That is when she was cut off.:love:
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I'd rather it did go well for the Tories (not a Tory by any stretch of the imagination) as I shudder to think of a Britain under Corbyn.
 
Genuine question, do you consider the labour party socialists ? Also did you consider Blairs period whilst at Labour the same?

now they are Blairs wasn't really
 
patricks148 said:
Genuine question, do you consider the labour party socialists ? Also did you consider Blairs period whilst at Labour the same?

now they are Blairs wasn't really
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I suspect Corbyn's view is as close to socialism as Labour have had in many years. His nationalisation plans are undoubtedly socialist.

Blair realised that socialism in its purest form would not get Labour elected and to make a difference you have to be in power. His party was a socialist leaning party but not socialist in the strict sense, imo. Did he ever claim to be socialist whilst in power? I would be surprised, unless it was at a Labour conference and he was playing to the audience.
 
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