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chrisd
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No thanks, I'd rather just not play your silly games.
drdel
Tour Rookie
Given that many families were out with small kids Christmas shopping in and around the areas it was a sensible move.
Wolf
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Easy to quote Chris to tell him to take his pick but Try actually reading the article or even responses to your previous posts. One in Bolton states police advised to call off for safety, the one in Rochester had nothing to do with 5 Socialist activists turning up as it was cancelled earlier in the day before they had supposedly turned up (that is pure media fiction) it was called off due to what I stated in my previous reply to you in that there were 1000s of people out attending the largest event Rochester(Medway) hosts which meant logistically is impossible for anyone to carry out anything there..
Its easy to write a headline saying Boris abandoned campaign without writing the facts, and its just as lazy to post the article ridiculing the man, especially when you've already been given the actual facts from someone actually there who even said it would have been impossible for any of the parties to safely campaign there not just for them but for the members of public there.
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Wolf
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The Rochester one was the only sensible option to cancel it, last figures released by medway Council were that it annually attracts 138,000 visitors. With the opening night being particularly busy, so even if you say only 30,000 attend the first evening thats far to many people to have there with a political event on at same time, Rochester isnt very big and the pub in question is 60yards from the entrance to the main attraction. Logically it woukd have been stupid to go ahead for any candidate.
Have you not realised that stating facts has no place on this thread
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
After 10 years of Tory rule and mismanagement the NHS is short of 43,000 nurses.
Johnson says he will bring in 40,000 EXTRA nurses so that makes a total of 83,000 nurses he will have to employ to make his promise truthful.
Johnson says he will bring in 40,000 EXTRA nurses so that makes a total of 83,000 nurses he will have to employ to make his promise truthful.
Wolf
Well-known member
No just like banging my head against a brick wall mate ?
Just find it pathetic that certain posters will post the tripe they do then ignore the replies and carry on regardless, kids have better grasp of reality and maturity than some people on here.
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In most things, reality is somewhere in the middle of what two people believe. Pick anything thats been posted and apart from the mega outlandish rubbish, there'll be some truth in there.
Will Labour completely tank the economy? No, but the spending plans are dangerous.
Do the tories have major problems with Islamaphobia? No but there's problems there.
Are the JLM claims about antisemitism accurate? No but there's problems there.
Will the Tories build 40 new hospitals? No, I very much doubt they could find the money for anything close.
Will the Tories sell the NHS to the US companies? No, no one could find the money to buy 1,250 fully equipped hospitals.
Wolf
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Hobbit how vary dare you post something that makes sense, how will the kids be able to blindly ignore truth ?
But you make a great point there of course will be elements of truth in there, merely with a few added words well placed to make it spin to a certain parties agenda and that is relevant to all parties. I call it the Obi Wan school of politics because as he says “what I told you is the truth from a certain point of view “
chrisd
Major Champion
Ah Wolf, do you not notice that one if the main protagonists is a poster from north of the border who supports a gobby and pretty useless leader who's never been a Westminster MP, follows on from a leader who is in court soon on a number of very serious charges, and who's in trouble in her own country for failing to deliver promises herself. Bearing also in mind that she wants to leave a Union that she benefits heavily from to join one that she has no clue what the terms will be?
MegaSteve
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The facts are usually easy to pick out though... As they very rarely get a valid response from the other side of the debate...
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
If I thought that Johnson could be dumped in short term and that Jeremy Hunt would take over then I could see that circumstance finding me voting for him. But I can’t see that happening so sorry Jeremy - not getting my vote.I change on a regular basis depending on the candidate and the parties current manifestos. I know you said 'since the last election' which is a short time span so fewer are likely to have changed, but I have voted for at least 5 parties over my voting lifetime in general and local elections. And it's completely feasible that that may rise to 6 in this one as Soubry is standing where I am for the Tiggers. Individuals, society and especially now parties all change over time, so I see no reason why someones voting intentions should not. Pretty sure I voted for the tories back in the 80s I think. And if they would have elected Rory Stewart as leader, promoted the more one nation tories and expelled the UKIPy ones, instead of doing the opposite, then who knows this time.
You could argue the Blair's Labour party is closer to Majors Tories than it is to Corbyn's Labour party. And vice versa, Majors is closer to Blair's than Boris's. I'd even argue Boris's current incarnation is closer to UKIP as was, than it is to Majors Tories. To be honest if people just vote the same every time no matter what is happening in the world or who is in charge of the party then that is the kind of uncritical analysis they rely on. And the 'see/hear no evil' approach to me is part of the reason we are where we are in such a divided nation with a poor set of politicians.
And I will have to change my voting intention this time as the party I voted for last time is not fielding a candidate this time. Admittedly seeing people trying to justify Boris's cowardice in avoiding interviews when you know god damn well if it was Corbyn avoiding them they'd be all over it constantly, isn't going to convince me to vote Tory. But at least this thread has helped me rule out a few options this time.
We got our first Hunt leaflet yesterday - lots of ‘super Jeremy constituency mp’ - quite a lot about his time as foreign secretary and health and social care secretary - but what words were completely missing from his lots of words and pictures leaflet...’Get Brexit Done’ . Nothing on that at all. Some words about unblocking parliament but none of the GBD rubbish.
He clearly realises that in a Remain constituency many constituents just wouldn’t buy that guff - it would infuriate Remain voters, and it might even insult the intelligence of the Leave voting constituents.
But Get Johnson Out could have seem me voting to Keep Hunt In. Bizarrely.
He’ll win in any case as TBP not standing and so their votes will go Hunt - if they had stood there was an outside chance of a LibDem win. Not now though. How the votes split will still be interesting.
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chrisd
Major Champion
Even you, I'm sure, accept that we need to resolve the Brexit issue as soon as and then move on. I know that you dont want it resolved the same way as me but there is no doubt that it is stifling Parliament and the country.
PNWokingham
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makes sense Brian - apart from the bit about tanking the economy - if these plans are implemented fully or near full and all utilities, broadband (more than just oppenreach), rail etc, plus the workers getting 10% of companies etc. I strongly believe this is endgame for the economy - we will be a global outcast - inward investment will die, our credit rating will die, the pound will tank to parity v dollar or maybe worse and the servicing of our debt will spiral out of control. The prospects are utterly horrifying
PNWokingham
Journeyman Pro
..and somehow persuade the EU, totally against its rules, to let in a country without a currency??
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
When faced with an uncomfortable truth against their point of view why do the right wing leave types on here nearly always revert to personal insults and name calling.
Must go as Wee Krankie is spouting off on the telly. Very brave of her to face public scrutiny once again, unlike some of her male counterparts.
Must go as Wee Krankie is spouting off on the telly. Very brave of her to face public scrutiny once again, unlike some of her male counterparts.
chrisd
Major Champion
When faced with an uncomfortable truth against their point of view why do the right wing leave types on here nearly always revert to personal insults and name calling.
Must go as Wee Krankie is spouting off on the telly. Very brave of her to face public scrutiny once again, unlike some of her male counterparts.
Once she's made herself look second rate there's no point in not reinforcing the fact
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Yes - but you are being disingenuous suggesting that all voters do the deep and comprehensive research into the parties, policies and leaders that you do - they don’t and I’d have thought that you’d know that. They read and listen to the headline messages of the commentators and media they subscribe to and follow. No more than that.
drdel
Tour Rookie
And your anti-Trump/US Nicola has just signed a 5 year deal with a US company to manage Purchasing etc across NH Scotland.
NHS has been managed in a devolved Scotland for that period while you've racked up debts over 9% GDP - above EU threshold admission level of 3%.
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