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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Doon frae Troon said:
No, at the start he said 50,000 nurses then went on to say 31,000.
Worth remembering that nursing levels are around 18,000 short [I think] at the moment so really it is only around 20,000 nurses not 50,000,
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As of 9th Oct there are 43,000 Nurse vacancies in NHS England.

I think the 50,000 recruitment policy would be superb from any party.

What I’m confused on though is the start point, ie, is it 50,000 on todays figure so only an overall rise of 7,000 nurses (still good) and then the nurses that will be recruited to work in the 6 New hospitals or is that were the 7,000 will work?
 
ColchesterFC said:
Cheers. I was sure I'd seen the figure 31000 in the BBC text. Think they even broke it down as 19000 UK trained and 12000 from overseas recruitment. But that still doesn't add up to 50000 "more" nurses.
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12,000 is out of the 31,000, the rest are homegrown recruitment. The other 19,000 are retained.
Hence the confusion of the start point. It would 50,000 more than we currently have today, but I take that as 43,000 vacancies filled and 7,000 new jobs.
 
pauldj42 said:
12,000 is out of the 31,000, the rest are homegrown recruitment. The other 19,000 are retained.
Hence the confusion of the start point. It would 50,000 more than we currently have today, but I take that as 43,000 vacancies filled and 7,000 new jobs.
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I get the first bit, but if 19000 of them are retained - or those that would have left but will be convinced to stay - then surely they will already be counted in the total number of nurses we already have so it's only 31000 more? Or 12000 less than the current number of vacancies.
 
ColchesterFC said:
I get the first bit, but if 19000 of them are retained - or those that would have left but will be convinced to stay - then surely they will already be counted in the total number of nurses we already have so it's only 31000 more? Or 12000 less than the current number of vacancies.
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Yes, No, haven’t a clue,:ROFLMAO: none of them have clarified the start position, just the words “in 5 years time we’ll have 50,000 more nurses” and that sounds a lot better than saying we’ll fill the existing vacancies and fund 7,000 more nurses. o_O
Regardless of how they are filled.
 
pauldj42 said:
Yes, No, haven’t a clue,:ROFLMAO: none of them have clarified the start position, just the words “in 5 years time we’ll have 50,000 more nurses” and that sounds a lot better than saying we’ll fill the existing vacancies and fund 7,000 more nurses. o_O
Regardless of how they are filled.
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One other thing that I've just thought of.....if we currently have 43000 nursing vacancies in the NHS then surely we don't need 50000 more nurses, we need 43000 more nurses. Otherwise we're going to have 7000 nurses with no jobs to do.
 
ColchesterFC said:
One other thing that I've just thought of.....if we currently have 43000 nursing vacancies in the NHS then surely we don't need 50000 more nurses, we need 43000 more nurses. Otherwise we're going to have 7000 nurses with no jobs to do.
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We’ll have 6 new hospitals in 5 yrs and another 34 being built.(y)
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Johnson too afraid to attend his own hustings now.
What a whimp.
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If you’re referring to his late cancellation of his Rochester appearance yesterday before the debate then I’d actually say the right call was made and not wimpish. I’d also say the same had that been Corbyn, Swinson or any leader.

Reason being last night was the official opening of Rochester’s Christmas market & Dickensian weekend, meaning thousands of people from Medway out in droves with everyone from families to the local morons out getting pissed with the biggest issue being the pub garden he was going to be holding his address in being the very point where entrance to the event is and creating a bottle neck effect. Evidenced today alone as were back down in Kent this weekend and attended it and getting past that pub garden took us 15mins to get into castle grounds which is 60yards walk at most, so add Boris into that in opening night and it becomes a hazard to the public and not something worth him or any leader doing to actually talk about policies.

Though it’s been conveniently spun that it wasn’t because he’d face a labour backlash is in my experience of living there and my family still living there a bit of a twist in the truth. The logistics of him getting out of there at the time of the event and getting to Maidstone studios wouldn’t have left a lot of prep time for the debate either, it’s not a long journey but is one that has limited routes which have been mostly closed to allow for the Dickensian Christmas event.

As I say not defending the man but the situation of pulling out of that event was the right one in public interests whether your Boris, Corbyn or Medway favourites Brexiteer Farage.
 
Wolf said:
If you’re referring to his late cancellation of his Rochester appearance yesterday before the debate then I’d actually say the right call was made and not wimpish. I’d also say the same had that been Corbyn, Swinson or any leader.

Reason being last night was the official opening of Rochester’s Christmas market & Dickensian weekend, meaning thousands of people from Medway out in droves with everyone from families to the local morons out getting pissed with the biggest issue being the pub garden he was going to be holding his address in being the very point where entrance to the event is and creating a bottle neck effect. Evidenced today alone as were back down in Kent this weekend and attended it and getting past that pub garden took us 15mins to get into castle grounds which is 60yards walk at most, so add Boris into that in opening night and it becomes a hazard to the public and not something worth him or any leader doing to actually talk about policies.

Though it’s been conveniently spun that it wasn’t because he’d face a labour backlash is in my experience of living there and my family still living there a bit of a twist in the truth. The logistics of him getting out of there at the time of the event and getting to Maidstone studios wouldn’t have left a lot of prep time for the debate either, it’s not a long journey but is one that has limited routes which have been mostly closed to allow for the Dickensian Christmas event.

As I say not defending the man but the situation of pulling out of that event was the right one in public interests whether your Boris, Corbyn or Medway favourites Brexiteer Farage.
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Yes just poor timings as you say it would be carnage irrespective of who it was
 
Wolf said:
As I say not defending the man but the situation of pulling out of that event was the right one in public interests whether your Boris, Corbyn or Medway favourites Brexiteer Farage.
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It does get stacked there for these events, we went to the sweeps summer festival a couple of years back and it was rammed
 
MegaSteve said:
I believe DfT was alluding to the fact that Boris couldn't be asked to attend the hustings in his own constituency Uxbridge... Really poor show on his part, yet again, dodging facing his own constituents...
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Surely that's his personal choice and a risk he's prepared to take, its irrelevant to DFT
 
MegaSteve said:
I believe DfT was alluding to the fact that Boris couldn't be asked to attend the hustings in his own constituency Uxbridge... Really poor show on his part, yet again, dodging facing his own constituents...
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If thats what he is referring to rather than last nights last minute pull out then obviously what i refer to is irrelevant, if it was about last night then the points stand.

However regarding his own constituency thats ultimately Boris choice, some may see it as not being bothered others may see it as leader of the country he's prioritising the overall party position rather than his own constituency. Either way he will always be in someone's bad books for it but totally irrelevant to DFT as someone no where near the constituency, just prefers to have a pop at Boris at regular occasion or anyone generally that isn't SNP
 
Wolf said:
If thats what he is referring to rather than last nights last minute pull out then obviously what i refer to is irrelevant, if it was about last night then the points stand.

However regarding his own constituency thats ultimately Boris choice, some may see it as not being bothered others may see it as leader of the country he's prioritising the overall party position rather than his own constituency. Either way he will always be in someone's bad books for it but totally irrelevant to DFT as someone no where near the constituency, just prefers to have a pop at Boris at regular occasion or anyone generally that isn't SNP
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To be "leader of the country" you first need to be in the house... And, for that you need your constituents to put you there... Not sure how many previous PM's have ignored turning up at their own constituency hustings...
 
I am left wondering the environmental impact of this election.

We receive 2-3 letters or post from various parties each day, our recycling bin is about 1/3 full with them!

Its totally insane and has to stop! It has been going on for over a week. We have also closed the door on a fair few people at the door.

I do my own research and don’t need their “Vote for us because this other person said/did this” stuff. The worst for that round us is the Lib Dem’s but they are all doing it and it just makes me want to vote for them less.

The party with the least post to us (One tiny slip) and the one with no smear? The Greens...

I know where my vote is going.
 
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