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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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pauldj42 said:
Do you not find it strange the JLM have leaked documents 7 days prior to a GE.
The more I read about the JLM and it’s membership and anti-Corbyn comments from years and years back, the more sceptical I am of their agenda.
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No I don't find it strange in the slightest. Do you need a Krystal nacht before you acknowledge the danger? And I dare say the Jewish Community feel that even more.

As for the JLM's comments from years back; two things.

1) you've decried those people who have brought up some of Corbyn's history from years back but you now want to use JLM history - you can't have it both ways.

2) As a jew, do think they are comfortable with Corbyn's very long CV on Hamas, Hezbollah etc?

Definitely not strange, and I welcome their high profile involvement. Leaking now might stop the Labour(Nazi?) Party getting into power.
 
Hobbit said:
No I don't find it strange in the slightest. Do you need a Krystal nacht before you acknowledge the danger? And I dare say the Jewish Community feel that even more.

As for the JLM's comments from years back; two things.

1) you've decried those people who have brought up some of Corbyn's history from years back but you now want to use JLM history - you can't have it both ways.

2) As a jew, do think they are comfortable with Corbyn's very long CV on Hamas, Hezbollah etc?

Definitely not strange, and I welcome their high profile involvement.
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They have been accused of being a front for the Isreali Government, there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of Jewish people standing up for Corbyn and stating they fear the JLM more. The Labour Party has Jewish Candidates standing in the GE who fear the JLM.

Have a read of this if you have time, just one article.

https://mronline.org/2019/04/29/jewish-labour-movement-was-revived-to-deal-with-corbyn/
 
pauldj42 said:
They have been accused of being a front for the Isreali Government, there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of Jewish people standing up for Corbyn and stating they fear the JLM more. The Labour Party has Jewish Candidates standing in the GE who fear the JLM.

Have a read of this if you have time, just one article.

https://mronline.org/2019/04/29/jewish-labour-movement-was-revived-to-deal-with-corbyn/
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Already read it. "They've been accused..." Has that been proven or has it been thrown out there by Corbyn supporters?

There's a huge difference between opinion and fact. You can look up every meeting Corbyn has had with those terror groups. You can Google the articles he's penned, or comments he made in support of those groups. You can look up the number of visits he's made to countries that openly oppose the jews, countries he's actually received state funding from. Those are facts.

I want a (Socialist)Labour govt but not this one at any price. You can't take a Krystal Nacht back. Violent Antisemitic Incidents in the UK are at their highest for the 3rd year in a row, and people wonder why they shouldn't support Labour...? A mainstream party with a recent and current antisemite history acknowledged by themselves, and people support them?

For me, Labour need a period of 'cleanliness,' and a totally different top table before I'd go anywhere near them.
 
Having a Jewish bloodline via my grandmother, I don't have an issue with Hamas or Hezbollah specifically. For me both these organisations are reactive and they are reacting may be incorrectly to poor behaviours that are shown to them. If those behaviours were to disappear and a less intrusive policy were to be deployed we might see a reduction in their bad behaviours.
I do think we as British people have a part to play, Israel was reborn and we lost lives to that terrorism at the time. You can forgive a lot of bad behaviours because of the holocaust, but we should not, and the active policy of infiltrating the Gaza strip is not acceptable.
The only way you will resolve issues is engaging with both sides, you know as well as I do that the Israel government is legitimate in world eyes, and has an out let or forum.
You are condoning a man who went and listened to someone who does not have a voice.

As for these leaks .. yeah they have underlying motivations and they are not positive.
 
Hobbit said:
Already read it. "They've been accused..." Has that been proven or has it been thrown out there by Corbyn supporters?

There's a huge difference between opinion and fact. You can look up every meeting Corbyn has had with those terror groups. You can Google the articles he's penned, or comments he made in support of those groups. You can look up the number of visits he's made to countries that openly oppose the jews, countries he's actually received state funding from. Those are facts.

I want a (Socialist)Labour govt but not this one at any price. You can't take a Krystal Nacht back. Violent Antisemitic Incidents in the UK are at their highest for the 3rd year in a row, and people wonder why they shouldn't support Labour...? A mainstream party with a recent and current antisemite history acknowledged by themselves, and people support them?

For me, Labour need a period of 'cleanliness,' and a totally different top table before I'd go anywhere near them.
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The JLM have come out and stated they won’t support Corbyn but are doing their utmost to also stop a Labour Government.
It makes no sense, they don’t have the support of all Jews or all Jewish MP’s and if there is a danger from another Krystal Nacht history tells us that comes from the Right side of politics.
You have a complete distrust in Corbyn, I have no issue with that, but the damage the JLM is doing is to the whole Party and Jewish people.

Membership of the JLM, you don’t have to be Jewish, You don’t have to be a member of the Labour Party.
People at the top of the group ex-employees of the Isreali Embassy.

Their aims and their political views seem at cross purposes to me.
 
PNWokingham said:
well here is some more info on our main alternative - the fine, upstanding, terrorist-sympathysing, economically-illiterate, marxist anti-semite from Islington who cannot even have the balls to take a stand on the major issue of Brexit!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...sonally-accused-11-acts-anti-semitism-leaked/
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I frankly don't care that much about many of the accusations flung at Corbyn (some do worry a bit) - he will not be PM. I care about what Johnson says and how he acts under pressure (and I suggest that so should all of us) - as he will be PM - Corbyn won't.
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
She will be supported by Labour & Tory voters so reasonable chance. Brexit voters will be irrelevant as they cannot support either Lib Dems or SNP [not sure if they are standing]
Last Scottish poll shows the SNP on 52% so perhaps they still have a chance.
Would it not be something to see both Johnson and Swinson unelected:D
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I see John Nicolson is not standing for the SNP. Thought he was pretty good but a little too full of himself at times.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I frankly don't care that much about many of the accusations flung at Corbyn (some do worry a bit) - he will not be PM. I care about what Johnson says and how he acts under pressure (and I suggest that so should all of us) - as he will be PM - Corbyn won't.
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I wish I had your confidence. A hung parliament with a Labour government in power supported by the Lib Dems and SNP could very well see Corbyn in No.10.
 
Hacker Khan said:
He was on Radio 5 and I fully admit I am bringing a lot of preconceptions to this, but he just sounded way out of his depth and all he could do is repeat 'labour will crash the economy' over and over again. It was pitiful to me if this is the caliber of senior cabinet minsters we have in this brave new world we are forging for ourselves out of the EU. But then again I suppose all some voters want to hear is him say Labour will allegedly trash the economy and that's enough.
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The chutzpah of Javid knows few bounds today, but beggars belief...on current homelessness figures - it's all Labour's fault...when the Conservatives have been in power for ten years...have they forgotten?

And over these years the Conservative have - as Corbyn points out - "made decisions to slash funding for hostels, housing benefit, homelessness services, and new homes – “all directly responsible for this increase in people living and dying on our streets.”

Ten years ago homelessness and living on the streets of Britain had been almost eradicated.

Javid's words are, at best, a grotesque twisting of the truth.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The chutzpah of Javid knows few bounds today, but beggars belief...on current homelessness figures - it's all Labour's fault...when the Conservatives have been in power for ten years...have they forgotten?

And over these years the Conservative have - as Corbyn points out - "made decisions to slash funding for hostels, housing benefit, homelessness services, and new homes – “all directly responsible for this increase in people living and dying on our streets.”

Javid's words are, at best, a grotesque twisting of the truth.
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Basically he just lied. Although I'm sure some wise monkeys on here would say he is telling some alternative truth and you can't call him a liar as that is a serious accusation blah blah blah. So there you go, the best the probable Chancellor of the Exchequer in a weeks time can offer are lies then just repeating a stock phrase that Labour will crash the economy. Triffic.

Reality Check: No, homelessness hasn't halved
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On Radio 5 Live this morning, Chancellor Sajid Javid said: “Under Labour, homelessness absolutely rocketed, it reached its peak in 2008 under the last Labour government. Since then, it is down almost 50%.”
Actually, the number of households classed as “unintentionally homeless and in priority need” in England reached a peak in 2003-04. It then fell under the Labour government reaching a low in 2009-10, according to the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government.
But since the Conservatives came into power it has increased by 40%. The number of households living in temporary accommodation has increased by 60% and the number of rough sleepers has well over doubled.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The chutzpah of Javid knows few bounds today, but beggars belief...on current homelessness figures - it's all Labour's fault...when the Conservatives have been in power for ten years...have they forgotten?

And over these years the Conservative have - as Corbyn points out - "made decisions to slash funding for hostels, housing benefit, homelessness services, and new homes – “all directly responsible for this increase in people living and dying on our streets.”

Ten years ago homelessness and living on the streets of Britain had been almost eradicated.

Javid's words are, at best, a grotesque twisting of the truth.
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not really just ;like most of the other Tory tripe... downright lies. it can't be said that the Tory's ever let the truth get in the way
 
Hacker Khan said:
Basically he just lied. Although I'm sure some wise monkeys on here would say he is telling some alternative truth and you can't call him a liar as that is a serious accusation blah blah blah. So there you go, the best the probable Chancellor of the Exchequer in a weeks time can offer are lies then just repeating a stock phrase that Labour will crash the economy. Triffic.

Reality Check: No, homelessness hasn't halved
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On Radio 5 Live this morning, Chancellor Sajid Javid said: “Under Labour, homelessness absolutely rocketed, it reached its peak in 2008 under the last Labour government. Since then, it is down almost 50%.”
Actually, the number of households classed as “unintentionally homeless and in priority need” in England reached a peak in 2003-04. It then fell under the Labour government reaching a low in 2009-10, according to the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government.
But since the Conservatives came into power it has increased by 40%. The number of households living in temporary accommodation has increased by 60% and the number of rough sleepers has well over doubled.
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So the peak was in 2003-04.

Remind me again which party was in Government.

On the issue of homelessness neither party has any credibility as there are no votes in it.

People may wring their hands and donate money to Shelter at Christmas but there are very few for whom it is a decisive factor for their vote.

An issue for the journalists rather than the voters sadly.
 
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Seems 3 MEPs have quit the Conservative party to join the Brexit party. Sorry, I meant quit the Brexit party to join the Brexit party, no, quit the Conservatives to join the Conservatives. Aah jeez, why is it so difficult to tell the 2 parties apart nowadays. I meant quit the Brexit party to join the Tories.

Frankly I'm fuming as I thought my vote for the fragrant Ms Rees-Mogg in the European elections was so I could get a MEP from essentially a one issue party mostly trying to take us back to the 1970s to represent me. But now it turns out my MEP has quit the Conservatives and joined the Brexit party. Sorry, other way round, it's so confusing...

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/east-midlands-mep-annunziata-rees-3611425
 
MetalMickie said:
So the peak was in 2003-04.

Remind me again which party was in Government.

On the issue of homelessness neither party has any credibility.
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I've put that through Tory Political Google Translate and it translated that as 'Labour addressed the situation so it reached a new low in the late noughties and since then the Tories have not prioritized it, which combined with other cuts to public services over that time meant it has risen alarmingly again. So based on that over whelming evidence that it fell during Labour administration and has risen again a lot under a Tory administration, let's just agree no one can do anything about it'.
 
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