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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Swinglowandslow said:
You know, if you wanted to test your ability to resist temptation, the best thing would be for you to be one of a group discussing politics, glass of Chardonnay in hand.Each would be given a small task, under penalty of buying the wine.Yours would be to not comment adversely about Boris .
I reckon you would last less than two minutes, before going to your wallet!??

As for interview with AN. IIRC, comments have been made about his trait of interrupting the answer , to an annoying degree.
I don't know if that is the case as I haven't seen his interviews, but I have seen other interviewers with politicians, and it does seem to be an annoying trait, even from my position as a viewer.
If I were subject of this kind of rudeness, it wouldn't be long before I'd say words to the effect " If you don't keep quiet when I am answering your question, I shall terminate this interview. This is not about you, it is about the public learning what my answers are to your questions. Stop being rude"

I suspect so called experts are advising politicians to not respond in any manner which may be thought aggressive , but to remain polite etc. It seems to me that by doing so, they come over as inept and indecisive, and so they get slated for that. Can't win, can they??
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Difference between Johnson and the other leaders is that Johnson will be PM. The GE voting in areas where it will really matter for the Tories to get a majority will be in Leave voting constituencies - and as many constituents are putting great faith in Johnson (and Johnson alone) delivering Brexit and a great comprehensive and deep trade deal with the EU - then we should hear him under scrutiny. Are these voters not to see and hear under scrutiny the person they will be voting for - no matter what their constituency?
 
pauldj42 said:
yet, if when he appears in Court and if he his found Guilty then absolutely lay in to him and her, until then I stand by the fact families should be kept out of politics unless they are used by the politician in a political situation.
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Speaking of politicians using their children to get them out of a hole ...............Remember how well that worked for John Gummer and David Mellor.:ROFLMAO:
 
pauldj42 said:
So no innocent until proven guilty then tash, surely it’s only alleged at the moment?
Does he not deserve a day in court?
What if he’s found not guilty?
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I absolutely agree that he's innocent until proven guilty and, quite frankly, shouldn't be used in the GE. We could argue that its too simplistic to say innocent until proven guilty as the weight of evidence, e.g. bite marks, make it fairly obvious he's guilty. Bit of a non-story in that respect. He'll have his day in court, and its not a story I'll be following.

Do I care about her, and labour's, attitude to public schools? Yes. Labour would be removing people's choice, making it the state's choice. I disagree with the charity status many public schools operate under to avoid paying various taxes, and that should be changed. After that, Labour should focus on improving state schools, not on nationalising public schools.
 
MetalMickie said:
Can anyone show me where Diane Abbott has called for the abolition of independent schools.

The tax breaks and charitable status they enjoy are being questioned but that is a different matter.

The policy on schools has been misinterpreted for many years. Wanting to improve standards within the State system relied upon by the vast majority is not asking for private schools to be scrapped.

I may disagree with the Labour Party on how the State schools can be improved but seeking an improvement where those schools offer similarly high standards as many in the independent sector is, to me, an admirable objective.
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Not sure she specifically said it... from the Labour party's last conference.

"delegates have endorsed radical plans that would abolish private schools by removing their charitable status and redistributing their endowments, investments and properties to the state sector."

I don't know whether or not it made it into their manifesto, though conference said it should. However, it breaches the European Convention on Human rights, which includes the right to choose education.
 
Hobbit said:
Not sure she specifically said it... from the Labour party's last conference.

"delegates have endorsed radical plans that would abolish private schools by removing their charitable status and redistributing their endowments, investments and properties to the state sector."

I don't know whether or not it made it into their manifesto, though conference said it should. However, it breaches the European Convention on Human rights, which includes the right to choose education.
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https://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/t...9-general-election-thread.103293/post-2087394
 
Hobbit said:
Not sure she specifically said it... from the Labour party's last conference.

"delegates have endorsed radical plans that would abolish private schools by removing their charitable status and redistributing their endowments, investments and properties to the state sector."

I don't know whether or not it made it into their manifesto, though conference said it should. However, it breaches the European Convention on Human rights, which includes the right to choose education.
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Isn't it the case that a lot of the more extreme conference motions never become official manifesto policies.

Personally I agree with you that choice should remain but I also feel that the tax breaks should be addressed.
 
HughJars said:
England was warned she was horrific, but no "ho ho ho, isn't she amazing breast feeding her child in parliament...". Nah, she's always been horrific, and the Lib-Dems dropped a massive bollock not doing their due diligence there.
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Chances of holding on to her seat under an SNP onslaught?
 
Also with regards to the hypocrisy around schools and MPs, whilst it made a great running joke in one series of The Tick of It, a comedy that is rapidly becoming less far fetched than actually reality nowadays, I personally would never criticize any MP of any party for wanting to do the best for their child as long as it is within the law. As as a parent that to me trumps everything. From Labour MPs sending their kids to private schools to Tory MPs getting their kids highly prized jobs or internships, I completely accept and understand why they do this.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Also with regards to the hypocrisy around schools and MPs, whilst it made a great running joke in one series of The Tick of It, a comedy that is rapidly becoming less far fetched than actually reality nowadays, I personally would never criticize any MP of any party for wanting to do the best for their child as long as it is within the law. As as a parent that to me trumps everything. From Labour MPs sending their kids to private schools to Tory MPs getting their kids highly prized jobs or internships, I completely accept and understand why they do this.
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Totally agree with you but the problem comes when they do that but then remove the option for others to do the same. Whether that would be Labour removing the option for everyone else to use the public schools that they themselves used or if the Tories were to stop people getting jobs or internships.
 
Is anything that a party says outside of it's manifesto worth listening to.

If it was important enough then it would have been in their manifesto - if it's not in their manifesto they can claim, when they walk back on their promise, by pointing out that it wasn't in their manifesto.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...bn-for-public-transport-in-midlands-and-north

And I hear today from the Conservatives that in an early post-Brexit budget there will be a cut in income tax. Really. I know that the Conservatives always talk of themselves as being the party of low taxation, and that they have committed to a Tripe-Lock on tax in the next parliament - but committing to a reduction? In their manifesto? Maybe. And at the same time funding such as this £4bn on transport for midlands and north?

Sadly, with Johnson as PM and the rest of the previous Cabinet likely to be still in place - I don't trust them an inch in any case :)
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Difference between Johnson and the other leaders is that Johnson will be PM. The GE voting in areas where it will really matter for the Tories to get a majority will be in Leave voting constituencies - and as many constituents are putting great faith in Johnson (and Johnson alone) delivering Brexit and a great comprehensive and deep trade deal with the EU - then we should hear him under scrutiny. Are these voters not to see and hear under scrutiny the person they will be voting for - no matter what their constituency?
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well here is some more info on our main alternative - the fine, upstanding, terrorist-sympathysing, economically-illiterate, marxist anti-semite from Islington who cannot even have the balls to take a stand on the major issue of Brexit!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...sonally-accused-11-acts-anti-semitism-leaked/
 
Hacker Khan said:
Also with regards to the hypocrisy around schools and MPs, whilst it made a great running joke in one series of The Tick of It, a comedy that is rapidly becoming less far fetched than actually reality nowadays, I personally would never criticize any MP of any party for wanting to do the best for their child as long as it is within the law. As as a parent that to me trumps everything. From Labour MPs sending their kids to private schools to Tory MPs getting their kids highly prized jobs or internships, I completely accept and understand why they do this.
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I'm sure we all want the best for our children, but to remove the choice for other is, IMO, wrong. However, an ambition for a child is one thing but favouring them for jobs smacks of nepotism.
 
PNWokingham said:
well here is some more info on our main alternative - the fine, upstanding, terrorist-sympathysing, economically-illiterate, marxist anti-semite from Islington who cannot even have the balls to take a stand on the major issue of Brexit!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...sonally-accused-11-acts-anti-semitism-leaked/
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Accused by the JLM (who obviously can’t be happy with waiting for the EHRC to do its job) and printed in the torygraph, what next, turkeys voting for Christmas.:ROFLMAO:
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Chances of holding on to her seat under an SNP onslaught?
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She will be supported by Labour & Tory voters so reasonable chance. Brexit voters will be irrelevant as they cannot support either Lib Dems or SNP [not sure if they are standing]
Last Scottish poll shows the SNP on 52% so perhaps they still have a chance.
Would it not be something to see both Johnson and Swinson unelected:D
 
pauldj42 said:
Accused by the JLM (who obviously can’t be happy with waiting for the EHRC to do its job) and printed in the torygraph, what next, turkeys voting for Christmas.:ROFLMAO:
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It might be worth remembering that if Corbyn believes the PERSONAL accusations are false he can sue for libel. And it might be worth considering that the Telegraph would be aware of that, and will have only printed what they themselves can defend.

Payouts for libel claims in the papers are currently running well into 6 figures, and more if it then goes onto the European Court. Add costs to that and, WOW!

Do you think the Telegraph would risk a case like that, even one they might win, on a guess?
 
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Hobbit said:
It might be worth remembering that if Corbyn believes the PERSONAL accusations are false he can sue for libel. And it might be worth considering that the Telegraph would be aware that, and will have only printed what they themselves can defend.

Payouts for libel claims in the papers are currently running well into 6 figures, and more if it then goes onto the European Court. Add costs to that and, WOW!

Do you think the Telegraph would risk a case like that, even one they might win, on a guess?
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Do you not find it strange the JLM have leaked documents 7 days prior to a GE.
The more I read about the JLM and it’s membership and anti-Corbyn comments from years and years back, the more sceptical I am of their agenda.
 
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