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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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spongebob59 said:
Ive not seen where they say how they will fund these tbh.
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I've seen Corbyn, twice, talk about funding the WASPI compensation. On one occasion it was going to be paid from "the contingency fund every govt has." In the second interview he said it would be funded from borrowing. In both cases he may well have been speaking truthfully. The initial thought might have been from a contingency fund(money tree?) and then a decision was made to do it from borrowing. Its an "honourable thing to do," as Corbyn said. And I don't have a problem with it being in the mix.

And I agree with reducing rail fares. And I agree with addressing the issue of stolen pension funds. And there is so much more I agree with in the Labour manifesto. But for me, it comes down to what the country can afford. I want a socialist govt but not at any price.

When a country goes into recession and businesses fail, its not the rich people who suffer - they can cope with only 19 bottles of Moet instead of 20. The levels of borrowing to fund Labour's spending programme is just crazy, and dangerous. And it will be the poor who suffer.

"Only aspirations.." oh please. Its soft vote buying. People see them as what a party wants to do.
 
Hobbit said:
I've seen Corbyn, twice, talk about funding the WASPI compensation. On one occasion it was going to be paid from "the contingency fund every govt has." In the second interview he said it would be funded from borrowing. In both cases he may well have been speaking truthfully. The initial thought might have been from a contingency fund(money tree?) and then a decision was made to do it from borrowing. Its an "honourable thing to do," as Corbyn said. And I don't have a problem with it being in the mix.

And I agree with reducing rail fares. And I agree with addressing the issue of stolen pension funds. And there is so much more I agree with in the Labour manifesto. But for me, it comes down to what the country can afford. I want a socialist govt but not at any price.

When a country goes into recession and businesses fail, its not the rich people who suffer - they can cope with only 19 bottles of Moet instead of 20. The levels of borrowing to fund Labour's spending programme is just crazy, and dangerous. And it will be the poor who suffer.

"Only aspirations.." oh please. Its soft vote buying. People see them as what a party wants to do.
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Could be far worse under a tory No Deal Brexit, or does Project Fear only go one way?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-50628644
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Is it a fake document?
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Looks like it was a very public interview. If anyone thinks the NHS is being privatised under Boris or anyone else I think they are mad. Reforms and efficiency is are one thing but not being free at the point of entry is never going to happen. Using private hospitals on an ad hoc basis to help the NHS run smoothly is a good thing. My girlfriend was sent by Royal Berks to the Spire in Reading for a shoulder operation and it was absolutely fantastic. The NHS helped clear the long waiting lists and she had a good OP in stte of the art hospital. I am all for logic like this. If a private clinic wants to specialise in something and it is more efficient for the NHS to make use of it while maintaining the control that is all good. If the NHS has all the resources they need in an area- all good. If the patient wins all good. But this is not privatisation- it is making the best use of resources at any given time
 
PNWokingham said:
So trump denies anything to do with the NHS on Sky Interview. Time for Red Jezza to go back to the Ruskies and ask for clarity on the leaked 500 pages of nothing!!
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Crikey Paul, those Russians must be playing us from the greatest spy story of all time; they've got Red Jezza on one side, and by the Kremlin's funded Boris on the other...they've got us all ends up! :eek:
The cold war is heating up, comrade:D
 
NHS four day week stuff is all a load of Tory fake nonsense …..many NHS staff already work three day [12 hour shifts] weeks.
Special info that may surprise some Tory voters.... the NHS does not only work Mon-Fri 9am to 5pm.
 
PNWokingham said:
Looks like it was a very public interview. If anyone thinks the NHS is being privatised under Boris or anyone else I think they are mad. Reforms and efficiency is are one thing but not being free at the point of entry is never going to happen. Using private hospitals on an ad hoc basis to help the NHS run smoothly is a good thing. My girlfriend was sent by Royal Berks to the Spire in Reading for a shoulder operation and it was absolutely fantastic. The NHS helped clear the long waiting lists and she had a good OP in stte of the art hospital. I am all for logic like this. If a private clinic wants to specialise in something and it is more efficient for the NHS to make use of it while maintaining the control that is all good. If the NHS has all the resources they need in an area- all good. If the patient wins all good. But this is not privatisation- it is making the best use of resources at any given time
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Your post I replied to implied (jokingly I assume :) ) that the Ruskies wrote the document Corbyn waved. Joking aside - you imply that the document is not a government document and is fake? Is it real or is it fake? Actually I know the answer to that - it's real.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Your post I replied to implied (jokingly I assume :) ) that the Ruskies wrote the document Corbyn waved. Joking aside - you imply that the document is not a government document and is fake? Is it real or is it fake? Actually I know the answer to that - it's real.
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I was not doubting its authenticity - just if it had anything remotely incriminating to back up the totally unjustified propaganda (in my view) that the the NHS is for sale.
 
Before we start cooing about private provision taking over the nhs, lets think about how it went when the private sector got into care homes, probation services and other slightly complicated things...

They make profit by providing terrible service, reducing staff and taking an axe to t&cs (that's you and me, if you work for them), smoke and mirrors financial jiggery pokery and tax avoidance to ice the cake. Happy in the knowledge that, having bled tax payers (that's you and me) dry they leave the mess to be cleared up (by taxpayers).

Those 'profits' that come from 'efficiencies'. One way or another it all comes from us and goes to them with no tax paid on the way through.

It's distressing that anyone thinks that this it's a good thing.
 
Labour are having a pop at Amazon / Asda and others over employees pay. How can this be a problem if we have the protection of the EU employment laws? This EU thing is no more effective than having our own.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Your post I replied to implied (jokingly I assume :) ) that the Ruskies wrote the document Corbyn waved. Joking aside - you imply that the document is not a government document and is fake? Is it real or is it fake? Actually I know the answer to that - it's real.
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I assumed that he was referring to the suggestion that the documents has been leaked using "Russian" methods similar to those employed by Secondary Infektion rather than that the documents were fake...........

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-online-by-group-similar-to-russian-operation
 
pauldj42 said:
If we’re going to slag her off in the wrong thread, the least we can do is put the tweet in it’s whole context.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1201221601431343104
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Well the likes of her and JC are not going to keep us safe.
Let anybody in, in uncontrolled numbers is one policy: and another is "not necessarily " making those sentenced for terrorist offences serve the full term.
 
PNWokingham said:
just if it had anything remotely incriminating to back up the totally unjustified propaganda (in my view) that the the NHS is for sale.
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Trump has today confirmed that he is not interested in buying any part of the NHS even if it were handed to the US on a silver platter
 
PNWokingham said:
I was not doubting its authenticity - just if it had anything remotely incriminating to back up the totally unjustified propaganda (in my view) that the the NHS is for sale.
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Well I'm afraid that isn't clear from what you posted - or perhaps just a little ambiguous.

Time for Red Jezza to go back to the Ruskies and ask for clarity on the leaked 500 pages of nothing!!

Anyway - the document is real and it sets out trade negotiation possibilities - one of which could be having to buy US drugs at a higher cost to the NHS than cost today of the equivalent drug.
 
MegaSteve said:
Just wants us to purchase pharmaceuticals at eye watering prices, from US companies, from what I've read...
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I'm sure that the US drug suppliers would love that but it's been stated categorically that we will not buy drugs that are dearer than where we buy from now.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Well I'm afraid that isn't clear from what you posted - or perhaps just a little ambiguous.

Time for Red Jezza to go back to the Ruskies and ask for clarity on the leaked 500 pages of nothing!!

Anyway - the document is real and it sets out trade negotiation possibilities - one of which could be having to buy US drugs at a higher cost to the NHS than cost today of the equivalent drug.
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The document IS real but it is the scope document from meetings back in Mrs May premiership where negotiators record what is said at the meetings (minutes). The US are bound to ask about the possibility of supplying drugs as part of a trade deal but Labour are trying to spin the document to be the foundation of a deal which Boris has been party to which us simply not the case
 
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