AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

[Deleted member 16999]

I am not ignoring distortions and hardship but the burden for retsoring the finances has been bourne by the higher earners. I am not sure how you can solve the other problems but saying that it is the fault of the wealthiest is not the answer. I am all for closing tax breaks and fiddles used by some who have made it rich and would love to see the end of offshoring tax liabilities to low tax countries - but these issues are not the same as trying to portray the wealthier and especially upper-middle earners as not having paid more tax despite an increasingly heavy tax burden. There needs to be more wealth equality but that is even more stark if you look at tin-pot left dictator countries like Venezuela - raising wages and quality of life for everyone is the goal - but that has far more chance of happening under the current Tory option than Labour, which will end up ruining the show for everyone

- this is what Corbyn and McDonnel want - and the current reality of what the world's biggest oil-reserve country has become, where the ruling socialists have ruined the country and stole all the money.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155271860216939

And I agree about levelling the tax burden, the issue with the austerity measures was they hit the poorest the hardest, we have to remember they also found £100billion to bail out the banks and put £1trillion up as guarantee for bank loans, we are still owed £27billion from banks.
I’m not blaming the rich for austerity, I’m blaming the tories for making it unfair, yes it needed addressing, but the bulk of the responsibility for sorting it out was aimed at the most vulnerable.

Edit: For all my socialist views I’ve stated on here many times I do not like Corbyn or McDonnell and would happily see them replaced.

 

[SocketRocket]

I disagree, it’s been proved that giving the rich more money doesn’t mean it filters down.
What you’re missing out is the amount of people who have had austerity forced on them via benefit cuts, bedroom tax etc, the gap between the rich and poor has widened.
Over a 100,000 deaths linked to austerity? Increase foodbanks etc.
As for Labour creating this, it was world wide financial collapse, blaming it all on Labour is a myth perpetuated by the right.

If its not a different case then rather than divert into a rant on foodbanks etc then explain to us what the relevance is between the tax paid by the top 1% of earners and the UK GDP per Capita as shown in your graph.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If its not a different case then rather than divert into a rant on foodbanks etc then explain to us what the relevance is between the tax paid by the top 1% of earners and the UK GDP per Capita as shown in your graph.

Go away, you’ve embarrassed yourself enough for 1 night.

 

[SocketRocket]

Go away, you’ve embarrassed yourself enough for 1 night.

Oh I see, rather than explaining your post you revert to the socialist norm of dodging the question and throwing out insults. If you can't explain it then just say so and we can move on

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Oh I see, rather than explaining your post you revert to the socialist norm of dodging the question and throwing out insults. If you can't explain it then just say so and we can move on

You don’t get it do you, you tried to call me out on a post tonight and make me look petty.
You got it wrong and the silence over you getting wrong is deafening, I’m sure you can try deflect it back at me, just like the above, you get personal, but I’m not interested.

Do you really think after that I would have any interest in engaging you in a serious conversation.

And for clarification, here’s a screenshot of the SkyNews Page.

 

[patricks148]

leader of the Scottish Tories got a real working over on Scotland Tonight... just now... i can see them losing most if not all of the seats gained in the last GE

 

[SocketRocket]

You don’t get it do you, you tried to call me out on a post tonight and make me look petty.
You got it wrong and the silence over you getting wrong is deafening, I’m sure you can try deflect it back at me, just like the above, you get personal, but I’m not interested.

Do you really think after that I would have any interest in engaging you in a serious conversation.

And for clarification, here’s a screenshot of the SkyNews Page.
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You felt it necessary to show Boris as the Bufoon but failed to use the womans decription of The Red Man for Corbyn. End of.
I take it you can't justify your comparisons between the top tax earners and GDP Per Capita. Its OK if you can't, just say so but please stop the diversions.

 

[SocketRocket]

Struth, Barry Gardner got more than a little hot under the collar tonight when Andrew Neil demolished him over the Labour accusations of the Conservatives selling off the NHS to the USA.

Labour are now desperate by attempting to weaponise the NHS as a smokescreen for their crackpot manifesto and failure to clarify their Brexit position.

 

[Hobbit]

Struth, Barry Gardner got more than a little hot under the collar tonight when Andrew Neil demolished him over the Labour accusations of the Conservatives selling off the NHS to the USA.

Labour are now desperate by attempting to weaponise the NHS as a smokescreen for their crackpot manifesto and failure to clarify their Brexit position.

Gardner is an arrogant fruit cake. He's the first guy in a Police line up for an axe murderer. The less emotive assessment is he's a bully. Whenever someone catches him out he resorts to anger and bullying.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Fancy Poll on Newsnight suggests a Tory majority of 65+ ... what a miserable prospect. And in Scotland projected SNP increase in seats from 35 to 43 (I think). For the Union that would potentially be a dangerous combination of outcomes.

My wife is genuinely concerned about the future of the NHS under the Tories as she sees it hanging together through goodwill at the moment - and also fearful that her cancer drug through the NHS will be cancelled as it is a bit more expensive than an equivalent - though the one she is on offers a 5% reduction in likelihood of recurrence cf the equivalent. And that matters. An NHS nurse and midwife of some 40 yrs she doesn't trust the Tories one inch on NHS funding and drug pricing.

 

[Imurg]

To be brutally honest...a majority for any party looks like a miserable prospect from where I'm sitting.
But given the choice between a majority for JC or a majority for BJ...well, Labour frighten me more than the Tories at the moment.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Paul and Socket, please knock it on the head.
You are both arguing down entrenched party lines and are never going to agree.

Do defuse please

 

[SocketRocket]

Fancy Poll on Newsnight suggests a Tory majority of 65+ ... what a miserable prospect. And in Scotland projected SNP increase in seats from 35 to 43 (I think). For the Union that would potentially be a dangerous combination of outcomes.

My wife is genuinely concerned about the future of the NHS under the Tories as she sees it hanging together through goodwill at the moment - and also fearful that her cancer drug through the NHS will be cancelled as it is a bit more expensive than an equivalent - though the one she is on offers a 5% reduction in likelihood of recurrence cf the equivalent. And that matters. An NHS nurse and midwife of some 40 yrs she doesn't trust the Tories one inch on NHS funding and drug pricing.

Does she think they will sell the NHS to the USA?

 

[harpo_72]

The Tories will sell something, they lack imagination with economic policy.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Fancy Poll on Newsnight suggests a Tory majority of 65+ ... what a miserable prospect. And in Scotland projected SNP increase in seats from 35 to 43 (I think). For the Union that would potentially be a dangerous combination of outcomes.

With my personal dislike of Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP I did have a read of their manifesto to try to find something in it to ridicule or that was particularly awful. But, try as I might, I failed, and it pains me to admit that. The only thing that I've really got an issue with was from listening to Nicola Sturgeon speak yesterday where she said that people should vote for the SNP to stop Boris getting a majority. Later in the speech she said that a strong SNP vote would send a clear message on Indyref2. I found those two statements a bit contradictory, as with the strong anti-Boris/Tory feelings in Scotland many people might vote SNP to try to stop a Tory majority rather than as a pro independence vote. Surely the best way to stop a Tory majority would be for Scotland to return 40- Labour MPs as without those seats Labour has a very small chance of getting the seats needed to form a government.

Can someone please find something in the SNP manifesto that is horrendous so that I can feel better about myself please?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

With my personal dislike of Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP I did have a read of their manifesto to try to find something in it to ridicule or that was particularly awful. But, try as I might, I failed, and it pains me to admit that. The only thing that I've really got an issue with was from listening to Nicola Sturgeon speak yesterday where she said that people should vote for the SNP to stop Boris getting a majority. Later in the speech she said that a strong SNP vote would send a clear message on Indyref2. I found those two statements a bit contradictory, as with the strong anti-Boris/Tory feelings in Scotland many people might vote SNP to try to stop a Tory majority rather than as a pro independence vote. Surely the best way to stop a Tory majority would be for Scotland to return 40- Labour MPs as without those seats Labour has a very small chance of getting the seats needed to form a government.

Can someone please find something in the SNP manifesto that is horrendous so that I can feel better about myself please?

Not in the manifesto but I think that many of the Brexit+Independence supporters in Scotland are holding their noses and voting Tory. Marginalising the labour and Brexit vote [projected at a only 2 seats between them] From an SNP+Scottish Independence standpoint it is a shame that the Brexit party lacked the courage to stand for seats that are Tory held.

 

[SocketRocket]

The Tories will sell something, they lack imagination with economic policy.

Hopefully they will sell Labour short of any chance to form a Government particularly after that debacle yesterday over the NHS. What was really pathetic was the way they had NHS staff in scrubs and stethoscopes giving out the papers, surely that must be against the ethics and terms of employment for medical professionals.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Not in the manifesto but I think that many of the Brexit+Independence supporters in Scotland are holding their noses and voting Tory. Marginalising the labour and Brexit vote [projected at a only 2 seats between them] From an SNP+Scottish Independence standpoint it is a shame that the Brexit party lacked the courage to stand for seats that are Tory held.

Can you just clarify the bit in bold. Do you mean pro Brexit and pro Independence supporters? That seems a strange combination for people to have as they favour Brexit but also favour Independence which (going by SNP plans) would then see them rejoin the EU. I'm a bit confused by that.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

No stranger than Tory voters wanting to leave the EU and see Scotland leaving the UK as a price worth paying.
There are people in Scotland who also want to be out of both unions.

 

[chrisd]

Fancy Poll on Newsnight suggests a Tory majority of 65+ ... what a miserable prospect. .

Miserable for you maybe, but a Parliament than can get things done at last, yes including Brexit for me, but a properly working Government not being manipulated by odd coalitions.