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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Truthful Gove says .....Scotland has increased taxes for our brave soldiers.
Fact .....only for those over a £33,000 income level.
Fact ….Scotland has reduced taxes for the majority of soldiers based in Scotland. Some higher earners may have to pay a fraction more but will not have to pay for university fees, bridge tolls, prescriptions, dental checks etc etc.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Just loved Ch4 Gove's interview yesterday #factcheckuk


Aside - sample of 1. I asked my wife this morning if she knew what CCHQ is. She had no idea - and she is following the politics closely at the moment.

What the heck is a 'polemical case' - must go investigate.
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Gove always reminds me of a Duracell Bunny that has partaken of too much speed and coke.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Jacob Rees Mogg, a senior member of the Tory party, is very popular with voters, relates well to the daily struggles of a lot of the general population and has lots of insight into what to do in a fire. His absence from the campaign is nothing sinister. The fact is his children's nanny has a bout of leprosy but is expected to make a full recovery around the 13th December, so Jacob will be back on that day after filling in for her at home. #factcheck
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I heard that R-M has been spotted in deepest Somerset playing ping-pong with his neighbour Marcus Fysh

...whilst discussing the Australian Points system - Fysh of course having some knowledge of that being an Australian immig rant to the UK
 
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pauldj42 said:
It’s not fact Corbyn lied, have a look back and you’ll see me and Hobbit discussed this last night, it’s one guy, one man saying it.
And like I said last night, if it’s proven in the next few days that Corbyn lied then he should nailed to a fence and have the facts put to him.
I’m not ignoring anything, I checked the facts and back stories from the debate and right now no one has been able to prove either way whether Corbyn lied on this, you and Hobbit believe otherwise, why does me not believing it make me any more right or wrong than you and why is it only me at fault, maybe it’s you and Hobbit who are wrong and and have made up your mind regardless.
If Corbyn is proved to have lied, you can be behind me in the queue calling him out on it.
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But it is a fact that Labour are refusing to investigate further claims, not even accepting them into their complaints procedure. Have a look at the reports about a Welsh candidate and antisemitism claims. She's not guilty of them but has left a FB page set up to advise Labour members how to defend themselves against antisemitism claims. Its a closed group but someone in the group revealed that the page had antisemitic posts.

In effect, she acknowledged they are there by leaving the group and speaking about them - that makes them a FACT. And, importantly, its a group for Labour members only AND Labour refuse to investigate it. Article on the Beeb site dated 17th Nov, 4 days ago.

To quote Ian Fleming, "once is happenstance twice is coincidence three times is enemy action." Over 600 times and you won't believe it... C'mon Paul, surely you're not going to say its all lies.
 
Hobbit said:
But it is a fact that Labour are refusing to investigate further claims, not even accepting them into their complaints procedure. Have a look at the reports about a Welsh candidate and antisemitism claims. She's not guilty of them but has left a FB page set up to advise Labour members how to defend themselves against antisemitism claims. Its a closed group but someone in the group revealed that the page had antisemitic posts.

In effect, she acknowledged they are there by leaving the group and speaking about them - that makes them a FACT. And, importantly, its a group for Labour members only AND Labour refuse to investigate it. Article on the Beeb site dated 17th Nov, 4 days ago.

To quote Ian Fleming, "once is happenstance twice is coincidence three times is enemy action." Over 600 times and you won't believe it... C'mon Paul, surely you're not going to say its all lies.
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On Corbyn: Denial is not only a river in Egypt...
 
Hobbit said:
But it is a fact that Labour are refusing to investigate further claims, not even accepting them into their complaints procedure. Have a look at the reports about a Welsh candidate and antisemitism claims. She's not guilty of them but has left a FB page set up to advise Labour members how to defend themselves against antisemitism claims. Its a closed group but someone in the group revealed that the page had antisemitic posts.

In effect, she acknowledged they are there by leaving the group and speaking about them - that makes them a FACT. And, importantly, its a group for Labour members only AND Labour refuse to investigate it. Article on the Beeb site dated 17th Nov, 4 days ago.

To quote Ian Fleming, "once is happenstance twice is coincidence three times is enemy action." Over 600 times and you won't believe it... C'mon Paul, surely you're not going to say its all lies.
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Come on Bri, I’ve never once said it’s all lies!
Any allegations need to be investigated properly, but like any allegations in life once dealt with unless new evidence comes to light then they will be seen as closed, you know yourself some decisions are contentious and those unhappy with the outcome will refuse to accept the decision regardless and keep fighting (in some cases rightly so).
But those investigating the allegations will also consider the same case closed.
Also not sure what you mean by Labour not investigating or refusing to accept them as only yesterday they reiterated all and any complaints received are taken seriously.
 
Grant85 said:
Early predictions...
Tories will do worse than in 2017 (280 seats)
Labour will do about the same as in 2017. (266 seats)
LDs will do a bit better. (40 seats)
SNP will do a bit better (45 seats)
Think Brexit Party will fizzle out and not have much of an impact. See UKIP in 2015... 12%, no seats.

I think the Tories will make same mistakes as 2017... underestimating the task of keeping a campaign going for 6 weeks without getting shown up on domestic policy. Also underestimating strength of Labour (and Corbyn) in campaign mode.

Lib Dems and SNP should be able to cut through the noise by playing small ball on central message of EU membership, coupled with Scotland's voice for SNP in Scotland.
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Pretty accurate forecasting from Grant in October.(y)
 
pauldj42 said:
Come on Bri, I’ve never once said it’s all lies!
Any allegations need to be investigated properly, but like any allegations in life once dealt with unless new evidence comes to light then they will be seen as closed, you know yourself some decisions are contentious and those unhappy with the outcome will refuse to accept the decision regardless and keep fighting (in some cases rightly so).
But those investigating the allegations will also consider the same case closed.
Also not sure what you mean by Labour not investigating or refusing to accept them as only yesterday they reiterated all and any complaints received are taken seriously.
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You will have had a hand in promotions at work., and you will have based those promotions on past evidence. Someone being late for work occasionally, or nipping out 10 mins early occasionally won't preclude them from promotion. The investigation/case may be closed but it has relevance to that person's future prospects. And if its serious enough they will carry the stain on their record whilst they work there and, probably, will never be promoted. Its naive to suggest everything Corbyn did in the past bears no relevance to his future.

As for the bit in bold highlighted. The Welsh Labour Party reported those incidents to UK Labour's Governance and Legal Unit on Friday night. When asked by the BBC, UK Labour said they will not be investigating those claims as the candidate didn't write those posts. That in itself raises a few questions; why isn't the Labour Party investigating if its a closed group for Labour Party members? How do they know if Ms Carroll didn't make any comments if they haven't investigated? A focus group within Labour called Labour Against Antisemitism has criticised UK Labour's refusal to investigate.
 
It's so difficult being Prime Minister - remembering the detail of what's going to be in your Manifesto about to be released

The claim: Boris Johnson unexpectedly unveiled the Conservatives' plan to raise the threshold at which people start paying National Insurance contributions. He said: "If we're lucky enough to be elected, so the first Budget we will go up to the £9,500 threshold and that will, as I say, put £500 into the pockets of everybody."

Reality Check verdict: That's not the correct figure. The Conservatives' own press release says the benefit from raising the threshold to £9,500 in 2020-21 would be £100 per year. The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) says it would be £85 per year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50496609

And putting aside the mere detail that £85 is not £500 - the statement by Johnson that the Tories will..."put £500 into the pockets of everyone." is simply and obviously not true as many workers do not earn enough to pay any NI. Plenty of folks out there earning less than £166/week (£8632/year)

Am I allowed to call out Johnson's assertions on NI for what they are? OK - two 'untruths' or misunderstandings/misrepresentations in 7 words. Not bad going.

If the Tories ever get to their aspirational NI starting point of £12,500 - that will make those who pay NI £465 better off (not quite £500 but let's not quibble)
 
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