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AND HERE WE GO - THE 2019 GENERAL ELECTION THREAD

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Swinglowandslow said:
It has rightly been pointed out to you a number of times that the reason he couldn't leave on 31 October was the Benn Bill. If that had not been passed he would have either
1. got a deal and left, or
2 Not got a deal and left.

The Benn bill ,instigated by the remainders and labour together ,ensured that if he had done #2 it would have made him a criminal. So he was not able to pursue that objective of leaving.
You keep on having the cheek to call him out a liar on that situation and wonder why people call you a hypocrite for doing so, a man who pleads allegiance to Christian religion.
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You really think that being a Christian precludes me for calling out where I see someone lying or deceiving? See Matthew 23 for example. I particularly like verses 27 and 28 as apt.

27 You Pharisees and teachers are in for trouble! You’re nothing but show-offs. You’re like tombs that have been whitewashed. On the outside they are beautiful, but inside they are full of bones and filth. 28 That’s what you are like. Outside you look good, but inside you are evil and only pretend to be good.
 
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Old Skier said:
My post had nothing to do with any party other than to point out a politician publicly stating something that many of us know no matter what party you suppor that manifesto's in general are a crock of fantasy.
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but at the same time highlighting that labour wouldn't meet all its manifesto claims;)(y)
 
pauldj42 said:
Show me Corbyns and Swinsons lies, show me were they have been sacked for lying.
As SR keeps saying Liar is a harsh word.

Totally agree all Politicians are untrustworthy, but that’s a big difference to actual being a proven liar
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Hobbit pointed out the most recent Corbyn lies in the debate just this week, though you chose to see the spin on them, Swinson only just last week was called out in a live interview for deceiving the voting populous with their voting literature and graphs, Swinson replied there live on air they're not deceiving anyone, but when the interviewer pointed out the actual numbers and the fine print in the Lib Dems own statistics Swinson still said they werent deceiving, it was all there for all to see.

My initial point was you keep moaning that Boris is a liar, but even when shown the facts of where the other MPs are economic with the truth you choose to see that as Obi Wan Kenobi would put it the "truth from a certain point of view"

We all know Boris has lied and we all know the other leaders have been economical with the truth or just plain twisted it but somehow it's OK for them to do it because they haven't been proven in court or have merely adapted it to suit their needs
 
Wolf said:
Hobbit pointed out the most recent Corbyn lies in the debate just this week, though you chose to see the spin on them, Swinson only just last week was called out in a live interview for deceiving the voting populous with their voting literature and graphs, Swinson replied there live on air they're not deceiving anyone, but when the interviewer pointed out the actual numbers and the fine print in the Lib Dems own statistics Swinson still said they werent deceiving, it was all there for all to see.

My initial point was you keep moaning that Boris is a liar, but even when shown the facts of where the other MPs are economic with the truth you choose to see that as Obi Wan Kenobi would put it the "truth from a certain point of view"

We all know Boris has lied and we all know the other leaders have been economical with the truth or just plain twisted it but somehow it's OK for them to do it because they haven't been proven in court or have merely adapted it to suit their needs
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Hobbit has an opinion, as do I, why do you take his point of view as gospel.

I’m not moaning boris is a liar, I’m stating a fact. It’s others who constantly try and defend his behaviour whilst ignoring the fact he’s a liar.

I’ll stop picking them up on it and spinning the other side when others do the same.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Boris is not disclosing exactly how many children he has on purpose. It's just that he is a very busy man with lots of important stuff to remember to do like 'Getting Brexit Done', and is famously not at his best when it comes to exact details. #factcheck
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You mean like his take on Gatt Article 24 Paragraph 5(c)

Neil: "So how would you handle article 5(b) in GATT 24?"
Johnson: "Paragraph 5(b), article 24 - get the detail right. Get the detail right, Andrew. It's article 24, paragraph 5(b)."
Neil: "And how would you handle paragraph 5(c)?"
Johnson: "I would confide entirely in paragraph 5(b).
Neil: "And how would you get round what is in 5(c)?"
Johnson: "I would confide entirely in paragraph 5(b), which is enough for our purposes."
Neil: "Do you know what is in 5(c)?"
Johnson: "No."

In fact every schoolboy knows that 5(c) is absolutely critical to how UK will trade if the UK leaves without a deal and has to trade under WTO GATT rules
 
harpo_72 said:
Tongue in cheek..
Boris is making the manifesto up as he goes along .. a couple of promises here and there.

But seriously
Watching him on the news last night and the response was interesting, he is definitely preying on the optimistic with goldfish memories. He makes very bold statements and fails to carry them through and blames others for their failures .. are they lies, well that can be debated, but the issue is he doesn't think things through and that is a car crash waiting to happen.
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Yes - I'd tend to agree, but problem is he might well get away with it.

Corbyn missed a big opportunity during the debate not to call him out as a liar and list several of his more recent episodes.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Gordon Brown selling off the gold cheaply
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I'm wondering what would have happened if he had not sold off the gold when he did, I can't remember his rationale for doing it, or the state of the economy at the time - but I'm guessing that the economy wasn't in tip-top condition.

Feels a bit like me having to sell my house when I lose my job and can't afford the mortgage payment - and I have to sell at a point when house prices are depressed. But I don't have any choice. I have to sell. No point in me looking back now knowing I could have got £50,000 more for it if I'd waited a year.
 
harpo_72 said:
Tongue in cheek..
Boris is making the manifesto up as he goes along .. a couple of promises here and there.

But seriously
Watching him on the news last night and the response was interesting, he is definitely preying on the optimistic with goldfish memories. He makes very bold statements and fails to carry them through and blames others for their failures .. are they lies, well that can be debated, but the issue is he doesn't think things through and that is a car crash waiting to happen.
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Is he making it up or do you think he's making it up?
 
Just loved Ch4 Gove's interview yesterday #factcheckuk


Aside - sample of 1. I asked my wife this morning if she knew what CCHQ is. She had no idea - and she is following the politics closely at the moment.

What the heck is a 'polemical case' - must go investigate.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I'm wondering what would have happened if he had not sold off the gold when he did, I can't remember his rationale for doing it, or the state of the economy at the time - but I'm guessing that the economy wasn't in tip-top condition.

Feels a bit like me having to sell my house when I lose my job and can't afford the mortgage payment - and I have to sell at a point when house prices are depressed. But I don't have any choice. I have to sell. No point in me looking back now knowing I could have got £50,000 more for it if I'd waited a year.
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You need to read what and why, at the time the gold was sitting there doing nothing, he sold it at market value and turned it in to bonds that we are still receiving interest off.
With hindsight it was sold off at a cheap price, but that’s a poor argument as none of us have a crystal ball and a lot of economic experts now believe he did the right thing at the time.

2 points of view in 1 article.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/bus...d-reserves-20-years-ago/ar-AAB4sVG?li=BBQfQii
 
pauldj42 said:
Hobbit has an opinion, as do I, why do you take his point of view as gospel.

I’m not moaning boris is a liar, I’m stating a fact. It’s others who constantly try and defend his behaviour whilst ignoring the fact he’s a liar.

I’ll stop picking them up on it and spinning the other side when others do the same.
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Who said I'm taking his opinion as fact, you do like to twist others words are you sure your not a politician 🤔

My actual words were Hobbit pointed out his most recent lies, which is true he did that's not opinion at all that's fact of what was pointed out in what Corbyn said as was debunked by his own Party both prior and post debate.

You chose to ignore this preferring the the slight twist on truth option you'd read elsewhere. That is of course your choice and you're entirely entitled to believe what you choose on that. I agree you are stating a fact Boris is a liar nobody nobody is defending him for that or said he isn't. But they're also pointing out other leaders flaws which you choose to overlook despite saying you don't like them..

If anything most have pointed out as I have myself in my previous post none of the current incumbent leaders are fully telling the truth nor are they the best people within their own parties to lead the nation.
 
Jacob Rees Mogg, a senior member of the Tory party, is very popular with voters, relates well to the daily struggles of a lot of the general population and has lots of insight into what to do in a fire. His absence from the campaign is nothing sinister. The fact is his children's nanny has a bout of leprosy but is expected to make a full recovery around the 13th December, so Jacob will be back on that day after filling in for her at home. #factcheck
 
Is there any chance we could agree that, at some stage, pretty much all MP's lie. We can dance on this particular pinhead and argue who has,, or hasn't told the biggest whopper but it will amount of the sum total of beggar all. I can't believe anyone on here is so trusting of MP's that they feel duped.

Perhaps we, instead of pointlessly trying to tear strips of each other, could even consider the various promises being made and which 'lies/promises' are likely to be realised?
 
Grant85 said:
Yes - I'd tend to agree, but problem is he might well get away with it.

Corbyn missed a big opportunity during the debate not to call him out as a liar and list several of his more recent episodes.
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I don’t think JC is that type of politician and I kind of respect that, as it should be us the electorate to make that decision.
I am not saying I agree with his politics but I do think he is more self control.
 
Wolf said:
Who said I'm taking his opinion as fact, you do like to twist others words are you sure your not a politician 🤔

My actual words were Hobbit pointed out his most recent lies, which is true he did that's not opinion at all that's fact of what was pointed out in what Corbyn said as was debunked by his own Party both prior and post debate.

You chose to ignore this preferring the the slight twist on truth option you'd read elsewhere. That is of course your choice and you're entirely entitled to believe what you choose on that. I agree you are stating a fact Boris is a liar nobody nobody is defending him for that or said he isn't. But they're also pointing out other leaders flaws which you choose to overlook despite saying you don't like them..

If anything most have pointed out as I have myself in my previous post none of the current incumbent leaders are fully telling the truth nor are they the best people within their own parties to lead the nation.
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It’s not fact Corbyn lied, have a look back and you’ll see me and Hobbit discussed this last night, it’s one guy, one man saying it.
And like I said last night, if it’s proven in the next few days that Corbyn lied then he should nailed to a fence and have the facts put to him.
I’m not ignoring anything, I checked the facts and back stories from the debate and right now no one has been able to prove either way whether Corbyn lied on this, you and Hobbit believe otherwise, why does me not believing it make me any more right or wrong than you and why is it only me at fault, maybe it’s you and Hobbit who are wrong and and have made up your mind regardless.
If Corbyn is proved to have lied, you can be behind me in the queue calling him out on it.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Jacob Rees Mogg, a senior member of the Tory party, is very popular with voters, relates well to the daily struggles of a lot of the general population and has lots of insight into what to do in a fire. His absence from the campaign is nothing sinister. The fact is his children's nanny has a bout of leprosy but is expected to make a full recovery around the 13th December, so Jacob will be back on that day after filling in for her at home. #factcheck
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Stop it you naughty boy 🤣
 
Jo swinson getting nailed last night about her Green credentials and her use of the train v;s air travel and who should get taxed on it..

she had used the train 9 times comp to 32 flights... busted
 
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